AC was stripped of the 2011 Giro but not the 2009 TdF.

His performance in the Lake Annecy TT in 09 was surprisingly good ... to beat FC at the peak of his career on a fairly flat circuit.

But whatever we might suspect the result stands.

You nailed it.

As an aside, I thought Road to Roubaix was rubbish. It is very disjointed and doesn't work well as a feature.

Slight threadjack but are there any DVDs available that have the older CBS (US Broadcast) 80's Tours with the great editing, musical scores? That's what hooked me on cycling back then. Amazing viewing. Fantastic era in cycling.

The 2007 Tour was better than either race mentioned by the OP, both in terms of Contador wins and overall excitement.

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+1. 07 was good.

Best of recent times for me was 2011.

In the supercheats' era 2003 was good.

I would rather watch all the Armstrong Tour wins ad infinitum than have to suffer through one of the supposedly 'clean' Tours.

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Yes, they were all nailbiters weren't they?

You know that "result in doubt" thing that generally makes sport interesting?

They made 2011 look like a one horse race.

There was no exciting moments when Lance rode
Sawyer, you really need to get some perspective and not let Armstrongs issues effect you so much.

I disagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtZhG2kWVLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaKR5iOCTts


Both were pretty unpredictable.

Who said there were no exciting moments?

Except for 99 and 03 they were processions in terms of the GC. Exciting other parts to the race, sure, but the overall result was too predictable.

A question is was Lance performing in a largely doping level playing field. Even though Lance was doping was he still the best athlete in those races. As he travelled the highest and made so many enemies by being a total di#k he has fallen the furthest.

By being a total di#k he may have done less damage to cycling than those riders who doped, have admitted it, and come out as good guys, and no one being that shocked by their actions. Everyone hates Lance and is shocked by his actions.

Perversely Lance may have done cycling some good by highlighting how bad doping is for the sport. Without him the message would have been watered down.

So 2 possible strange truths
1) Lance was the best rider of his generation
2) Lance has done some good for cycling

*yawn*

Let's stop the Lance talk, guys. This thread is about Contador and 2009 or 2010.

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I hate to say it, but that is generally how ALL TdF convorsations end up going.

It starts with someone asking an innocent question, such as which one was more exciting to watch 2009 or 2010.

You get some decent replies

Then you get some asshole saying that the winners are all doped to the gills and he thinks that the sport is a disaster

Then it gets derailed

It *sometimes* gets back on track - but not always.



I'm starting to think that there should be a 1 week ban or something for starting a derail refering to doping ala TdF. This isn't the first time that this has happened.