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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:56 pm 
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Its hard to say without trying a bunch of different things. Every bike is different. I love some of the 29ers I've ridden, but others I could never get to feel right. The lack of saddle to bar drop on some 29er's felt a bit weird to me. I think the -17 degree stem may help. A lot of the pro's resort to stuff like this to get the position right on the big wheels.

My Niner Sir9 with 90mm 0 degree stem and Reba 80mm fork (46mm offset) feels like a tank. Slow steering and very sluggish. Not a big fan of this bike at the moment, and will be swapping the suspension fork out for a shorter rigid fork shortly.

The same fork on my Misfit Dissent 29er with the same stem and bars (albiet slightly different geometry) felt much snappier.

My Ragley TD:1 29er has a longer TT and a 70mm stem with more saddle to bar drop, and a short rigid fork (what is really a suspension corrected 26" fork with a 29er wheel in it), and this is without a doubt the fastest, best handling 29er I've ridden, and thats with 37mm offset.

Hopefully you can get the handling dialed in!


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:57 pm 
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Hey guys

thanks for all comment

I played with my fork settings a little bit and it improved the ride a lot:

I removed a few psi in the fork, going for 30% sag
I turned the rebound adjuter all the way toward the fast setting and unscrewed one turn. Dramatic improvement I'd say.

Now I will still buy a -17d stem. Would you guys have any suggestions? Looking for the ritchey 4 axis. The syntace is very nice but seems hard to find here in Canada...


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:51 pm 
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just for fun, if any of your buddies have a 650b front wheel, throw it on and see what a steeper head tube angle does for you.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:08 am 
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Not exactly weight weenie, but a Thomson X2 road stem would give you the -17 degree option, and readily available in Canada. At least its easy to find and resale value is great to see if it gives you the feel you are looking for.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:11 pm 
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yup did consider it, but is there any issue riding the thomson road stem on a MTB given is has a 2 bolts design?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:46 am 
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It's fine if you're not hucking your bike and you don't have crazy wide handlebars.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:12 am 
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ordered a KCNC arrow black stem, good price, good weight and will match the seatpost!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:58 am 
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My friend rides a Thomson X2, 120mm, -17 on his Niner. No problems with bars slipping or stiffness.
Too late though, considering you ordered one already 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:41 am 
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Two other options...

1. Try a Cane Creek angleset which allows you to "change" the headtube angle.

2. The other option is to find a fork from a Gary Fisher bike with the "genesis" geometry. These have a unique-to-fisher rake/trail combination designed to work with the longer front end and shorter stem on the Fisher bikes.

BVut I think option 1 is a better choice.

Good luck.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:43 pm 
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I was going to mention the G2 fork as well. I recently put an 80mm G2 Reba on my 29er and the handling is much quicker than the previous 100mm standard rake fork. It takes some getting used to though. I almost went OTB a few times on the first few rides.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Lol no way im gonna swap form. My sid rl is brand nee, as is the rest of the bike.

Reducing form pressure and adjustint rebound did help a lot. Now to put the neg stem for a final touch


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:05 am 
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Hey guys,

I am considering a very similar mod for my monstercross build, I have already reduced the fork from a 100mm to a 80mm and feel I still could use just a little quicker steering.
Therefore I second the Cane Creek adjustable headset mod. It would take a 71 degree headtube to 72.5 degrees. Adding 1.5 degrees to the front end geometry would quicken things up for sure
One thing I can comment on that I have tried was going to a narrower bar it definately quickened up the steering.
I,m interested to see how the stem option works out for you
Let us know how things work out.

thx
Dave


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