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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:33 pm 
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On the bonding issue I have campag carbon cranks and the pedal inserts are bonded in. These don't fail all the time. Also alloy crowns and steerers are common on carbon forks and they survive quite well. So there is a work around and the Ted may have taken this into consideration in the design. Unless someone is going to section up an $1100 crankset we are not going to know for certain. Assumptions are a dangerous thing.

Also if a problem does develop down the line Ciamillo will not be the first company to have to redesign. It happens to the big companies to after all there is only so much product testing that can be done.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:37 pm 
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Hi 1spd,

For info these will work with standard BBs. Just like the Zipp Vumas did. In fact i am planning to use my Zipp cups for these cranks.

The BB30 element is just that the cranks have 30mm diameter axles. So you may need a shorter cable retainer bolt (if your frame has one) to clear the axle inside the BB shell.

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Hello,

Let me introduce you to the forum.

I'm responsible for http://velo-perso.com which is the main European distributor of Ciamillo products.

This year I've been spending 3 weeks at the Ciamillo shop in order to work with Ted on the new products.

My work has been to bring the knowledge to Ted about the crank market, which is different from the brake market.
As a good level rider, I can anticipate the stiffness levels that we need for a such project.

Ted has incredible skills on machining and designing products with 10-20 years in advance on the market. He has with him the chance to adapt quickly all his products to the market needs and that's why we are hearing carefully all your comments.
This crank should be available first in 24mm/110mm because it's compatible to all framesets of the market.
As a Rotor retailer I can supply the bearings of all frames of the market (except Trek) as soon as Ted is making a BB30 version.

Please note that the spiders will be available in both 110/130, but it's not as of today the biggest difficulty. In fact, Ted has such big machining skills that machining a spider on 2 sides is something very easy for him. It has nothing to do with the work that has been necessary to machine the bottom of the arms.

I'll come back here to send you my opinion on the first rides with the Ciamillo prototype crank. That should happen shortly now !

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:54 pm 
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At 1 Spd, the crank with correct spacer will work with a VumaQuad bottom bracket. That is how I'm going to run it. :wink:

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Hey 'carbonLORD' you cant just tease us with some fancy CAD drawing and no info??? :roll:

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The caption for that picture on his Facebook page is:

"Zero Gravity Carbon Crank V2 with Aero Cover option. Taking pre-orders now!"

That's all I can find so far.


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Sorry, it was getting late.

I'm sure Ted has been too busy getting the crank in order to respond with more information. From what I know, (which is not much more then anyone else) the green areas in the image highlight where the materials join, but I'll let him explain the details.

I posted the image to illustrate what the Aero Cover will look like once adapted.

More information (and images) to come, stay tuned...

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coming soon (not really) after we have taken 200 more deposits to use for R&D :twisted:


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bikedoc wrote:
coming soon (not really) after we have taken 200 more deposits to use for R&D :twisted:


That's pretty much the definition of a pre-order.....ramp up cash flow for final development and production. Standard business practice.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:35 pm 
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Juanmoretime wrote:
At 1 Spd, the crank with correct spacer will work with a VumaQuad bottom bracket. That is how I'm going to run it. :wink:


Acording, with the discretion above, it will be 24mm, spindle, not shure, how is it compatible. Being the vuma quad, 30mm.
Other issue is every body is going 30mm, in Search for stiffness, why 24mm first design, compatibility??
See how Thm solve this matter.
About the price, it's in price range, of thm clavícula, M3, and tbe hollowgram, Sims excessive- 1100usd, will translate in 1100 euros in Europe.
Really incredible will see this design, being the pedal insert ok, and the rest tubular to spindle and spider of all carbon.
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btompkins0112 wrote:
bikedoc wrote:
coming soon (not really) after we have taken 200 more deposits to use for R&D :twisted:


That's pretty much the definition of a pre-order.....ramp up cash flow for final development and production. Standard business practice.


Final development, you mean complete redesign
Production, we'll see

normally when you put a deposit on something you know what it is

using customers money to develop your product is bad practice, what happens when/if it fails


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uraqt wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again!!!

Go TED GO!!!!! : )


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Is the aero cover structure or cosmetic


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