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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:04 am 
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A few recent trips to the biggest carbon bicycle manufacturing regions of the world reveals that knockoffs have more than quadrupled in the past 12 months.

And more and more brands are victim, including some local Chinese brands. Just a matter of time.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:35 pm 
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Just a matter of time before the Chinese come to the party? Pina MUST be objecting.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:30 pm 
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That photo tells nothing - are this frames for 5000euros or 500$?

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elviento wrote:
including some local Chinese brands.


I'm actually more interested in the local Chinese Brands, as I'm interested in more brands of bikes that are not promoted on other continents or countries.
Can you put up some links or names of the local Chinese brands you speak of? (I don't care for the knockoff... I mean the real Chinese brands you are referring to)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:55 pm 
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Are there any Chinese brands that knock off other Chinese brands? :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:16 pm 
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If thats not a real Dogma I bet it's lighter . I know someone who has a Dogma copy and its lighter than the real thing and it's a perfect copy .


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prendrefeu wrote:
elviento wrote:
including some local Chinese brands.


I'm actually more interested in the local Chinese Brands, as I'm interested in more brands of bikes that are not promoted on other continents or countries.
Can you put up some links or names of the local Chinese brands you speak of? (I don't care for the knockoff... I mean the real Chinese brands you are referring to)

Thanks.


I guess he's referring to brands like Triace, the only one that pop up right now in my mind as some others just use open mold frames (see Kung or Quick).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:48 pm 
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kavitator wrote:
That photo tells nothing - are this frames for 5000euros or 500$?


Those are obviously the fake ones.

@elviento, you might soon receive an email from Pinarello marketing agent as happened to me few weeks ago when I posted those exact pictures, where he stated that his lawyers were gonna take action.

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That's my kitchen! I was gonna tell the immigration authorities about those workers, honest.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:22 am 
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Seems to me if you don't want people taking pictures of chinese folks making your bikes, you should stop having chinese folks build your bikes. lol


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Shouldn't the photo above help Pinarello by promoting buyers to only deal with authorized sellers? After a quick eBay they can't deny that they're out there.


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Prend -- I am happy to show you a few Chinese brands (many of them claim to be founded in some European country or the US (Triace) with decades of European/US history, but for now, I am going to count them as Chinese brands.) And I will skip the blatent knockoffs. It's funny, some of these companies are enormously wealthy to begin with, some with billions of government subsidies --- they can easily buy dozens of companies like Moots, etc. if they are up for sale. ZGL is huge. Jihaolin is huge. Both have government backing and they have enough money to hire Smart, Vroomen, McLaren, Pinifarina. Some advertise at prime TV shows and major Olympic events for US$50K+ per second.

Micky, I have a feeling that Pinarello and the like will try to do something about the knockoffs soon but not sure how far it will go. Pretty hard to enforce I suppose. The fact is there is a huge market in the west for these. Surprisingly, very few are actually sold locally.

Shotgun, no, people will always be tempted, and they will come back and taunt the real-product buyers "you sucker."

Astray, paintjobs are actually quite a different matter than the actual product. Some of these do have decent paintjobs. In fact some of the paintjobs are very nicely done.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Thanks elviento, I appreciate the images and names! I'm going to look them up.

That Falco is obviously the best one that you posted. Can you tell us more about it? :wink:
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In all seriousness. And I do realize that most of you realize the difference. However, it's worth noting for those who aren't in the know. Just because it came out of the same mold, doesn't mean it's an identical bike. Yes, shape gives it it's silhouette and has some determination of ride. But I promise that the kind of carbon used, the layup schedule and the compaction process make just as much, if not more of a difference. So even though it might look like a dogma, I promise it's not made from Toray 60 ton carbon. That's the great thing about buying a brand name bike. You know what's under the paint. (usually.lol)


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