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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:30 pm 
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The separation of Lance Armstrong from Livestrong is NOT yet complete.
© LIVESTRONG, a registered trademark of the Lance Armstrong Foundation. The Lance Armstrong Foundation is a 501(c)(3) under federal tax guidelines.
Why has the name not been changed to the Livestrong Foundation?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:09 pm 
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What is wrong with some of you people . He doped in a bike race everyone else was doping in as well . Riders have been doping before he was racing and after he was racing . Yes he cheated so did the others and maybe in time there dirty washing may come out to play as well.
He has done the right thing . Its a well known name that has done a lot of good work .Its openess cannot be questioned . Check the charitys register. It's only a few Armstrong obsessed and I am beginning to think a bit nutty that would worry about the name . So you change the name and it does not change the fact that it was Armstrongs foundation . Lance fanboy artray :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:52 am 
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How you left? http://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-taunts-his-critics-with-photo-of-his-yellow-jerseys-2012-11 haha love it!!!


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it's all just matter of interpretation. :smartass: for me, each yellow jersey represents the depths of his dishonesty. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:06 am 
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I just thought it was funny.. cheat, didn't cheat, it's not going to stop me from riding my bike or enjoying the sport I love!!


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artray wrote:
What is wrong with some of you people . He doped in a bike race everyone else was doping in as well . Riders have been doping before he was racing and after he was racing . Yes he cheated so did the others and maybe in time there dirty washing may come out to play as well.
He has done the right thing . Its a well known name that has done a lot of good work .Its openess cannot be questioned . Check the charitys register. It's only a few Armstrong obsessed and I am beginning to think a bit nutty that would worry about the name . So you change the name and it does not change the fact that it was Armstrongs foundation . Lance fanboy artray :lol:


Read the report, it's not quite as simple as that.

Must have missed the reports of him 'doing the right thing' as he still owes SCA their money, he hasn't apologised to Simeoni, Andreau, Lemond, Bassons etc, etc.....


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:42 pm 
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And what about all the other riders who were doping at the same time .They should also say sorry and what about the managers of teams who know that there riders are doping they should also say sorry and what about the UCI who unless walked around with sh%t in there eyes and ears also need to say sorry and what about the sponsors who were glad to take the cash but also plead ignorance ..... I have read the report.
I do feel for any athlete who wants to compete without the use of drugs . But the sad fact is most pro sports are riddled with them.


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artray wrote:
And what about all the other riders who were doping at the same time .They should also say sorry and what about the managers of teams who know that there riders are doping they should also say sorry and what about the UCI who unless walked around with sh%t in there eyes and ears also need to say sorry and what about the sponsors who were glad to take the cash but also plead ignorance ..... I have read the report.
I do feel for any athlete who wants to compete without the use of drugs . But the sad fact is most pro sports are riddled with them.


The point is that this isn't about other riders.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Then you are blaming Armstrong for the whole culture of the sport ? He is a small part of the issue.

strobbekoen That is really funny . Your a comedy genius . Have you got any gigs coming up . Reminds me of early Bill Hicks . Well done :wink:


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artray wrote:
And what about all the other riders who were doping at the same time.


What about them? Many have left the sport, served jail time, suspensions, and so on.

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They should also say sorry.


They did.

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and what about the managers of teams who know that there riders are doping they should also say sorry


They did and/or they are currently under prosecution in ongoing cases.

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and what about the UCI who unless walked around with sh%t in there eyes and ears also need to say sorry


They're another issue entirely, but their downfall is eminent if you've been paying attention. But apparently you haven't.

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and what about the sponsors who were glad to take the cash but also plead ignorance .....


Some sponsors are asking for their money back. Some are just moving on. Some are leaving the sport entirely.
The business world, artray, is a different world altogether.

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I have read the report.


It hasn't shown.

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I do feel for any athlete who wants to compete without the use of drugs . But the sad fact is most pro sports are riddled with them.


So then why in previous posts did you state that everyone is doping and the "playing field" was "even" , when clearly there have always been a few that weren't yet you are still playing some broken record of blind support for a farse?

Your arguments in this arena are really just empty, artray.
Unless you're intentionally being a troll - but I guess that's worked since a lot of people have just ended up blocking your posts altogether, which is disappointing because they were initially giving you the benefit of doubt in being a valuable contributor to WW... But you may have lost, or are losing, that credibility.

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In fairness Prendrefeu, most of the points you underlined for emphasis aren't true.

- There are still many riders in the sport who have doped, still dope and have never said sorry.
- The above also applies to team owners, doctors, support staff. Someone posted a list of team doctors a while back and there were some that were still doing the rounds from the Festina days!

The UCI's downfall isn't imminent either, that is precisely the problem! This is Festina all over again. Make a doping case about one single person/team and you don't tackle the problem. You merely shift the blame, make it look like something has been done to clear up the sport when nothing of the sort has happened. See the last 20 years of pro cycling!


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You're right, maquisard.

So going back to Koen's post - it's a circular, never ending record.

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Come on prendrefeu," What about them? Many have left the sport, served jail time, suspensions, and so on."

And a lot of them are still riding and running teams and have not said sorry for anything only the fact they got caught and one has just won an olympic gold medal .

The UCI Investigation is a joke. We need a body from outside to give a true verdict on there miss doings
Have you been paying attention ?

prendrefeu "Some sponsors are asking for their money back. Some are just moving on. Some are leaving the sport entirely.
The business world, artray, is a different world altogether"

Its a world prendrefeu where they will turn a blind eye if it fills up there bank account . Some sponsors are just as guilty.

"So then why in previous posts did you state that everyone is doping and the "playing field" was "even" , when clearly there have always been a few that weren't yet you are still playing some broken record of blind support for a farse"

Im talking about Armstrongs main rivals his serious challengers . Most of them busted for drugs.
The non drug takers where tiny . have you been paying attention ? have you beem reading the news.
Surly you don't want me to make a list of all the riders/ ex riders who have been busted or have admitted doping over just the last few weeks never mind the last 20 years .
prendrefeu I don't know you . I enjoy your threads . The fact is I call it how I see it . I said during the tour about Leinders . I had every sky fanboy on my case . Thats just stating a fact . Armstrong's a great rider doped or not . My fav rider is Cadel. A few posts on here have said he may be doping . I have not jumped on there throats for saying that maybe he has . He's still my fav rider and it would not be a surprise . IMO blocking posts is ignorant. just because you don't agree with someone. It's ok shooting me down and if I am wrong I will admit it, I have done on a few occasions on this sight . Hope we can still be buddys


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