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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:46 am 
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Bikeradar's article from Jul:
"Canyon say higher-modulus carbon fibers are used throughout as well, adding up to a weight loss of 160-180g and a claimed bare frame weight of 800g for a 58cm bike."

Canyon web 910g for slx. So no weight savings compared to the previous model. Pity :(

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:33 pm 
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http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/series/ultimate-cf-slx.html wrote:
"The 790g lightweight frame sets new benchmarks..."


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:24 pm 
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That's what you can read under the frame description:

"Optimized Carbon layup
The SLX frame has an optimized Carbon layup, which ensures the highest levels of stiffness at a weight of 910 g."

790g vs 910g :noidea:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Regarding the frameset availability, this is what i got when contact Canyon customer service via email


Quote:
Thanks for your e-mail from the 12th october 2012 regarding the framesets of the 2013 models.

Regrettably for the first time there won’t be offered any frame sets of the 2013 models. There will be an information on our homepage if they are there for being ordered.

If you have further questions of difficulties, please contact us again.

Best regards,


Dana Kroesche
Servicecenter


I hope they change their mind though. I would love a speedmax frameset.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:06 pm 
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http://www.canyon.com/service/news_termin.html?nt=3652

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Infos zu Framesets und Sponsoring folgen bald

Liebe Canyon Fans,
seit heute ist unsere neue Website online und viele von Euch haben bemerkt, dass Framesets und Sponsoringangebote bisher nicht zu finden sind.
Wir wollen an dieser Stelle daher kurz ein wenig die Sorge nehmen. Wir planen, sowohl Framesets zu ausgewählten Serien als auch unser Sponsoringangebot weiterhin anzubieten und arbeiten mit Hochduck daran, hier die letzten Einzelheiten zu klären. Also bitte habt noch etwas Geduld, wir werden bald weitere Neuigkeiten hier auf canyon.com und Facebook veröffentlichen.


To sum up - be patient, information about framesets will be added soon.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:01 pm 
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What amazing bikes both mtb and road. I have not been on the site in years and remember I am super impressed and killer pricing. I was surprised the RED slx is more than the DA equipped bike.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:03 pm 
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metanoize wrote:
Canyon has just a stupid cheap move by making all the Ultimate CF SLX size with the same seat tube angle of 73.5.

Not only that, they've also changed geometry from 52-54-56 etc. to S-M-L-XL etc. Dumb move imo, I was all ready to buy the 54cm of the 2012 model and now because of this new geometry, I fall in between Medium and Large on this new model. Ridiculous! I did complain when first announced, but they're hardly going to do anything about it. Canyon - think Colnago, not Giant!


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Buy a sodding Colnago then.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:56 pm 
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CBJ wrote:
I was surprised the RED slx is more than the DA equipped bike.


The SRAM Red bike is the SL version and has R-Sys SLR wheels compared to the Ksyrium SLRs on the DA bike, this must be where the price difference arises.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:27 pm 
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HakanC wrote:
Cervelo, and probably many others, have had proportional stack/reach scaling for several years already.
AFIK at least.

/Håkan
SWEDEN


Cervelo was the first to promote a constant slope of stack versus reach. The prevailing approach was to scale effective top tube length with seat tube length, but then adjust seat tube and head tube ad-hoc to accommodate front tire clearance and rear tire clearance for constant chain-stay length and fork rake & length. This tends to flatten out the reach in the small sizes (seat moves forward for the spec's TT length) and blow out the trail in small sizes (HTA is slacker with same fork rake). The stack and reach measurements implicitly assume a slammed stem, however. If I go bigger on a given frame I need more spacers for the same stem, or more stem rise, each of which moves the handlebars close to the seat tube since the head-tube is sloped. So if I choose between two frames, one more stack, one less, with the same reach, I still get the handlebars further away with the taller frame at a given handlebar height. The argument is I want the handlebars even further from the bottom bracket with a taller rider, so I then need to achieve that with stem length assuming same spacer height. It seems that can work up to a certain point. The steering moment on the handlebars is a hypotenuse with the sides being effective stem length + reach, and half-width of bars, and the latter is bigger so has more influence then differences in stem length from, for example, 6 cm up to 15 cm (half-width is 18 cm to 23 cm).

In any case, constant slope stack-versus-reach seems generally more carefully thought out. Still, that doesn't mean for a given person in their given size it will yield a better fit. It's all about probabilities, most of the difference likely in the smallest and largest frames.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:10 pm 
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Pharmstrong wrote:
Buy a sodding Colnago then.

Perhaps I sodding will.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:32 pm 
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any of this change the fact that i cant get one in USA. sucks.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:44 pm 
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A good reason to make o movement over the pond :D

I'm still confused about the weight of slx. I was seriously considering the new frame hoping for the improvement in the weight department.
Anybody has more info on that subject?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:48 am 
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From what i understand, the weight of the frame is qouted at 790g. is it not?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:33 am 
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They ship over 30+ countries, but not the US. :roll:

I live in Thailand, and the shipping costs come at 299 Euro exactly. The bike is a good deal, even with shipping cost, it's still cheaper than most of big brand bikes with low grade in-house equipment here.


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