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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:09 pm 
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sedluk wrote:
448 grams is nothing to get excited about. It is not a bad weight for a modern crankset but many of us are currently riding lighter cranksets so not sure why there would be any excitement. They seem kind of expensive for the weight.

What other cranks are available at or below 450g for crank, BB, and spider at or below $1100? Thats a serious question BTW, as I'm not really up on WW cranks.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:17 pm 
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How are they adjusting the chainline to make up for the different length spindles?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:43 pm 
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The THM Clavicula crank is 336 grams and a THM shell with bearings is 74 grams, total 410 grams. The Ax Lightness is about the same.

It is not clear so far if the Ciamillo 448 grams (or 454) includes a BB and/or what kind of BB, but even if it does it is not breaking any new ground and sells for about what you can pay for a Clavicula or Ax Lightness crank and is heavier. But if you really like the looks and don’t mind the extra weight then it looks like a nice crankset.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:11 pm 
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THM yes, can you even consider ax-lightness (especially in the US?

BTW, I believe Pez's post states 448g including the BB. Could be wrong though.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:16 pm 
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I like it 8) Colour options on the anodised part? Blue doesn't do it for me lol. That spider looks a little over engineered, plenty of meat could be removed from that me thinks? I'm assuming this has a Hirth joint yeah? Like Specalized, Campagnolo and my dearly departed Sweet Wings?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:43 am 
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Looks nice, but the weight is about the same as the new Red BB30. Which go for ~$375 on eBay. And durability is still a big ?.


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deek wrote:
How are they adjusting the chainline to make up for the different length spindles?

he mentions custom spindle lengths to change non-drive arm position. this would keep the chainline the same. no, i dont think it would be worthwhile either.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:26 am 
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My Red 2012 bb30 crankset is 415g including bb, excluding chainrings and bolts.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:34 am 
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[quote="CharlesM"][/quote]

With the hyper-sensitive shifting ramps of the new yaw-type SRAM rings and the 11 speed trimless shifters I wonder how well these will shift with their off-timed chainring spider?

The anti-drop pin on chainrings is also useless with this spider arrangement.

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SuperDave wrote:
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With the hyper-sensitive shifting ramps of the new yaw-type SRAM rings and the 11 speed trimless shifters I wonder how well these will shift with their off-timed chainring spider?

The anti-drop pin on chainrings is also useless with this spider arrangement.

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Keep in mind you're not seeing a production crank so the alignment of the spider may very well be in a place that will allow full use of the drop pin that many large rings have.

Hopefully at some point Ted may join in to answer some questions that are out here since he is a member.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:42 am 
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bricky21 wrote:
sedluk wrote:
448 grams is nothing to get excited about. It is not a bad weight for a modern crankset but many of us are currently riding lighter cranksets so not sure why there would be any excitement. They seem kind of expensive for the weight.

What other cranks are available at or below 450g for crank, BB, and spider at or below $1100? Thats a serious question BTW, as I'm not really up on WW cranks.


Not quite below 450g but close enough to not warrant paying double.

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Vuma Quad BB30 setup with chainrings, bearings, spacers, etc. - 574grams

(Note: 50/34 chainrings as a pair weigh 129grams. Just the arms/spider/spindle weigh 379grams to put things in perspective)

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Vuma Quad BSA cups setup with chainrings, bearings, spacers, etc. - 596grams

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Impressive, Mr. Ciamillo, but not enough to get me warmed up to wanting one. Q-factor is once again too wide for my liking and I won't even mention how little ankle clearance it offers us duck-footed cyclists (which I am to a mild degree). They don't look half bad though. May these cranks come to the market and beget many happy costumers! :)

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Regarding the orientation of the spider.. the spider is removable and uses the same spline as the arm. The spider was simply placed on the spline for the photograph in the wrong orientation.

Regarding the weight, it will come down .. significantly I think; but I am more concerned about stiffness and robustness than weight at this point. The crank is one of the largest losses of power transfer. Testing is going well and weight will come off but I am not concerned about the Vuma weight that much because I don't know if the push to achieve that weight ultimately resulted in its being discontinued.

Regarding the Q and chainline.. On BB30 frames, there is a large spacer on the non-drive side so to reduce Q I just need the customer to verify that with their existing setup, a reduction in Q would not cause a clearance issue with chainstay and I am happy to shorten the non-drive spindle and spacer. This will not affect the 43.5 chainline for the drive side at all.

I know we are about weight here and pushing the envelope is what I am all about but on this project robustness and stiffness are my first priorities. I love working with carbon and enjoy applying the products and processing advice given to me by the folks at TCR Composites.. I will share some of the manufacturing process on this project shortly.

Thank you for all the compliments on the design. I will post some pics on a bike soon.


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Ted,

Thank you for the update and the opportunity for the early purchase!!!

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