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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:07 pm 
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artray wrote:
Contador his a cheat for eating some meat...
Excuse me. How do you know Contador's clenbuterol positive was from eating meat? Wasn't that his story? How do you know that's true?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Because he said so and I believe him like I believe Sky did not know Leinders background .
Fish caught .


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:47 pm 
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And the plasticiser levels being 10 times the amounts found in his previous urine samples was because of?


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Hows but he wasn't banned because of that. The CAS ruling was that he was banned because of a tainted supplement.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:31 pm 
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beardking wrote:
And the plasticiser levels being 10 times the amounts found in his previous urine samples was because of?


Was that true ? I did not think it was enforced in Contadors case and still has not been cleared for use by any doping body.

Facts ,what do they prove :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:17 pm 
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artray wrote:
Contador his a cheat for eating some meat...
Excuse me. How do you know Contador's clenbuterol positive was from eating meat? Wasn't that his story? How do you know that's true?

Most likely it was caused by eating meat in his home country and was in his blood when he drew a unit of blood for later blood doping (transfusion during the race). The plasticizer, in addition to the Clenbuterol in the test was the sure sign he (illegally) blood doped. So while the plasticizer is not banned they "hung their hat" on the minute amount of Clenbuterol which was technically illegal. My gut feeling if it was just the minute amount of the drug, and the possibility it could have resulted in eating "tainted" meet he would have gotten off. (he almost did). The plasticizer just pissed them off because they knew what was really going on. Just my 2c.

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 Post subject: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
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Doping makes me sad.


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LeePaton wrote:
Doping makes me sad.


Cheer up ...most people just ride faster but if it makes you sad you might be better to stop taking it .


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Pro Tour Dopers make me sad.


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Lots of good men come forward to sadden you today, I read.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:40 pm 
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pastronef wrote:
BMC distributor as a guest in my hotel

BMC Pro Team 2013

Pearl Izumi for clothing and 3T for handlebars. I asked about helmets, but he didn't know :x
He said Ochowiz takes care of everything form the US, so he should prefer something american. Giro?

he was riding a TMR01, his girl a GF01. the TMR01 is very nice looking. he said you better have good legs to get a good use of it


Looks like Hinchapie clothing has been dropped - good. It sends the right message out! GH needs to feel a little pain for his actions too.


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Kjetil wrote:
Lots of good men come forward to sadden you today, I read.


Indeed, not mad just saddened.

One can only hope for a clean sport.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:13 pm 
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Doping and cycling go together like an old sock in a old shoe .
when you think about it,,, really think about it,,, it's no big thing really. Just a bunch of guys trying to ride a bit faster than another bunch of guys. They have to live with it not us. Im off to have nobbly bobbly ice lolly,
there really nice . :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:31 pm 
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Kjetil wrote:
Lots of good men come forward to sadden you today, I read.


Good men getting off with six month bans. Slight double standards from USADA when it is a second offense for Leipheimer who doped earlier in this career.

Armstrong, as bad as he was seems to be scape goat in this entire affair. It's okay to have doped, as long as Lance and Johan told me to. What do you say to guys like Moncoutie who had their careers ruined by the 'good guys' and who see them being punished with six months bans and keeping their lucrative contracts.


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artray wrote:
Doping and cycling go together like an old sock in a old shoe .
when you think about it,,, really think about it,,, it's no big thing really. Just a bunch of guys trying to ride a bit faster than another bunch of guys. They have to live with it not us. Im off to have nobbly bobbly ice lolly,
there really nice . :thumbup:


Doesn't make it acceptable, worse even.

Yep the punishments IMO should be hella heavier and make examples of this dark hour of our sport, using it to deter future stars from being tempted.


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