Right, but it would also a bit weird to go all out Sagan style with the chasers hardly in sight.

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well... Alpe d'Huez times :


1: 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997
19: 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991
25: 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011
26: 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008
27: 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989
28: 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987
29: 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011
30: 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989

Alpe D'Huez

Rank Time Name Year Nationality
1 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
2* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
3 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
4 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
5 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
6 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
7 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
8 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
9* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States

* The 2004 stage was an individual time trial.

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Hilarious to look at some of those times from the mid-late 1990's and into the 2000's compared to the last couple years

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Aside from the obvious you need to account for the race situation which affects the time.

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Unlike Evans, Wiggins has a really well drilled train to shelter him in the mountain. Someone on this forum said it was a £1 man pulling a £1million man pulling a £1.5 million man, who has a £2 million WC man to fetch his water bottle. (The last part probably won't be true in 2013). So I'd say he could be a podium contender. A winner is a stretch should the hills prove steep.

The 100th Tour looks to be a great year. Lots of great GC contenders. I hope they all could make it to the Tour. I also hope Cav get away from Sky. If you guys have seen British Cycling road to glory it's pretty clear that Cav is definitely going. It it weren't for the Olympic I wasn't even sure that he would come to Sky. Great for him to be in the GC winning team and back to his old pals, but it doesn't mean much for him professionally. If he got a good train going at the OPQS the Green Jersey race would be awesome, with Sagan, Degenklob, Goss, the Gorilla etc.

1991, the year EPO really started to make it in the big time? And Greg didn't partake, and couldn't keep up?

Are you asking or telling?

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>"At RAI Sport Due, They aired footage from the 60's race, the peloton going up the Sormano climb on 42x26 that was the lowest gear of the time,
Seems that the fastest ascent record dates still from those years."

According to INRNG, Rodriguez and Henao did the Sormano in 9m20s
Baldini's time written on the tarmac is 9m24s.

So it's not that bullshit.

ave "So it's not that bullshit." But ave forgot to add
Na na na na na. So there. I am right you lose. You are my bitch etc etc . I am always right and can never be defeated .I AM A GOD YOU ALL WILL BOW BEFORE ME when it comes to cycling statistics .

The Giro route was revealed, here's a rundown from inner ring http://inrng.com/2012/09/2013-giro-unveiled/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks to be a good route, several lessons from Vuelta as far as short mountain stage included. We don't have to wait a week to see some gradients. Lots of TTing though, including an uphill one.

If you consider that the Sormano was only used on a the Giro de Lombardia on the 60's, ( so the records then skipped the EPO era), and that this year's was made on wet roads then it is sure right.

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60's Sormano climbs were the pushing festival thus they removed this climb from the race.
Yesterday times, even slightly faster, has been done with no pushing helps, atleast for the main contenders; behind them I'm sure many get helped because already on Valcava many were suffering.

In order of importance
.road/tarmac (this particular one resurfaced recently, beside....Italian roads are on par with 50 years ago= generally terrible)
.gearing
.bikes
improved in 50 years so it's hard to compare even if that/those 60s record(s) had been "push" free...

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Not sure about Indurain being clean but benefit of the doubt, but getting rid of the known dopers - is this the new top five of rankings?

Sastre was doped. For sure. The whole CSC team.

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