Well, it goes like this:
I wouldn't ride a Dogma if I was paid to ride one.
Reason: it's a $400 frame set cost to produce (that figure is from the horses mouth) and Pinarello want how many thousands for the frame set?
I know that frame set costs are in the hundreds for MOST companies who choose to make in the far East, and understand that what I'm paying for is the R&D that went into the design etc. I also know that far East carbon has come a long, long way (Parlee manufacture their Z5 range in the far East, Giant manufacture there (and manufacture some frames for Colnago - yeah, yeah, I've heard the whole 'Colnago have their own factory in Asia' BS too - Giant make them. End of story), Specialized, Cannondale, Trek etc, etc. I accept that all the big makers pay hundreds for their frame sets and mark them up to the thousands - BUT I refuse to be utterly bent over and raped simply because PInarello appear to think being an Italian brand means they can. There is, after all, a difference between 'mark up' and 'rip off'. I'm also not particularly impressed with the whole 'Made In Italy' deal - where you can do everything except put the decals on the frame in Asia, ship it to Italy, slap on a couple of decals and stamp 'Made In Italy' all over it - and it's legal to do so.
I don't like Pinarello bikes, I don't like their business practices and I don't even like their Australian distributor. I've never liked them and probably will never like them. We had a Dogma in the shop (frame set) that I had time to check out (along with a swag of built bikes that were left-over from the previous Italian loving manager (long story)) - we sold it to a guy in Sydney and you know what? The guy who bought it sent it back after a couple of months because the clear coat started to discolour in the sun. If you're retailing your frames for $9K then you better get the UV coating right - first time. That's just basic stuff. Not to mention the number of cracked frames we had come in that went back for warranty service.
Colnago: Different story. From everything I've seen they make very, very nice frames. Fit still feels off to me - maybe it's the angles or the Q factor; I don't know, it just doesn't feel the same as the same size S Works (and feels a whole world away from my Z1). I like the Colnago brand (yes, some of their frames are made in the far East and they're like all Italian companies when it comes to the 'made in italy' thing, but you'll get no argument from me about the ride (except that I just don't feel comfortable on them) - and that's more what I was getting at with the earlier comment re: harsh. BUT have you seen the weight of their largest frame sets? It doesn't stack up against units from Specialized, Cannondale, BMC etc.
While we're on Italian bikes that CAN fit me - what about the Passoni - something like their XX Ti? That can be custom made to fit. It's beautifully made, it's Italian... all good. BUT it's $24,000 RRP with Super Record and some brand name carbon tubulars!!! For my money the Moots Vamoots RSL is as well made and would come in AT LEAST $10,000 LESS than the Passoni! There's loving the design and having a passion for a culture and then there's blinkers. I can't afford blinkers that cost that much!
Besides, I don't want another bike I feel I have to treat with kid gloves, I want a bike I don't mind getting dirty, that I don't mind racing. For me that's the SL 4. My Parlee Z1 is about $22,500 retail and it's almost at the point where it's too valuable to ride. And that's a bit silly.
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