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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:15 am 
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Hi all,

So, I was thinking of getting a Dogma 2, now that they had dropped in price.

1) what is the weight of the frame? Can I expect a weight of sub 1000g for a size 53 or 54?

2) what are the post options? 25mm setback is too much, I need something between 0 and 20, as I run a 6.7cm of setback on my saddle, at a height of 75.3cm from the BB.

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:43 am 
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1) Not a chance, from the posted weights I have seen.

2) I think you are stuck with the stock "aero" seatpost due to its shape.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:25 am 
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1) See above

2) only hope is custom...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:18 am 
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Weight of frame, likely at the very least 1200 grams


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:40 am 
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Speak to berk, he's been doing custom saddle/post combos for team sky.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:41 am 
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on the post thing, although it has a decent amount of offset, there's a good amount of room to slide the saddle fore/aft. if you need it more forward, im sure a little "customizing" of the upper cradle can fix that.

...and no way itll be 1kg. on top of that, the fork is a pig.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:18 am 
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OK, thanks. Sounds like a heavy bike....I will probably pass. The SuperSix EVO I saw on the scale the other day was 760g in gloss black (complete frame, including seatpost collar ect), 310g for the fork and crown race. I might go that route instead. The Dogma looks sexy, though; it is hard to justify spending more to get a frame that probably weighs a good 500g more, plus the seatpost issue.

If the Dogma 2 is so heavy, why are they so darn expensive? Does the ride quality and stiffness more than offset the heavy weight? I think my old Fondriest that I bought back in 2004 weighed less than that.....

Thanks for the input though!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:47 am 
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I wouldn't rule out a frame based solely on weight.

The dogma will more than likely ride a lot better than some 800gram frame.

Pinarello get a lot of stick about the weight of their frames on here - but do you think they design the Dogma to 1200/1300g because they are not capable of designing something lighter - I doubt it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:53 pm 
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And the Dogma still wins pro tour races left and right, despised the little extra weight. I can get rid of a couple hundred gr. by going to the bathroom before my ride every morning!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:20 pm 
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I am certain Pinarello isn't capable of designing something much lighter :D :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Pinarello were going to make the Dogma2 sub 1000g, but they went to the bar to have a cafe instead.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:05 am 
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Frankie13 wrote:
And the Dogma still wins pro tour races left and right, despised the little extra weight. I can get rid of a couple hundred gr. by going to the bathroom before my ride every morning!


Frames don't win races, riders do.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:34 am 
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fa63 wrote:
Frankie13 wrote:
And the Dogma still wins pro tour races left and right, despised the little extra weight. I can get rid of a couple hundred gr. by going to the bathroom before my ride every morning!


Frames don't win races, riders do.


That's why I'm not concerned about a little extra weight.


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Got you :thumbup:

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