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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:31 am 
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http://gizmodo.com/5921868/scientists-i ... -breathing

Injecting particles of lipid fats that contain oxygen gas into the blood.

How long until this gets used in the cycling world?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:48 am 
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It looks like its effect is only short term - which would mean mid-stage administration.

Assuming it requires a needle that is.

Otherwise...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:07 am 
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Limitation is dissociation of CO2 - not uptake of O2. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:30 am 
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I would also say that markers for this would be dead easy to find at this stage. I could also see application for this in recovery rather than direct performance.

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PFC does the job better, and is all but untraceable.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:20 am 
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Musk3t - ummm... how do you know about these? Medical background? Biology background? Not just a snippet of knowledge the average joe has in his back pocket. Just interested.

A friend and I spent a great deal of time researching these/speculating about their use by certain professional who happened to come down with cancer about 12 years ago.

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What is PFC?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:31 am 
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Perfluorocarbon(s)

(very) basics here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing


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Illuminate, how did you theorise it's use for cyclists?

I remember the mrs talking about this at a conference about neo-natal re-sus but never occurred to me applications for cycling. Of course "The Abyss" was my first thought when I heard about it!

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TW, sorry for the delay. I'll have to reread on this one before I can comment further. Plate quite full at the moment till after 25th July.

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It's been used a lot in Italy. Most of the time it's only proven by finding actual samples, evidence of administration. I believe Petacchi was implicated with its use a wee while back.

My knowledge comes from a few varied backgrounds within pro sport, the law and generally keeping an ear open.


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