Phill P wrote:
I'd like to see red as being the "tuned" force group. Have all the same functions in force:
-briftor zero loss
-new single pivot brakes
-new FD design
-same forgings as the new red RD
-same crank style
But then just remove some of the Ti/CF and ceramic bearings, and make the crank foam core not hollow.
Rival then seminar with the dual pivot brakes with basic materials, same CF levers but no zero loss, same layout FD and RD but cost reduced, and maybe picks up the older force crank etc.
This is the sort of thing Shimano and campy do with great success. It spreads the tooling cost for the common pieces over more parts, you just give things a different colour and save on the fancy material costs for the lower group sets. Campy also have identical looking cranks, just cheaper rings, hardware, and foam cores etc.
I would find a cost reduced red to be hard to resist, but spending the extra for red is harder to justify for me.
With the exception of Zero Loss on the right shifter, Sram already does this. The shifters, brakes, derailleurs and cranks are nearly identical except for the combination of materials.
As for when a new force comes out, I'd venture a year from now. That is how Sram and Shimano have done it in the past - roll out the top of the line group then a year later roll out a new second tier group....