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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:30 am 
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djconnel wrote:
Looks like a very slackidasical head tube on the stock geometry, so a fork with at least 5 cm rake would be useful here:

http://www.sartocycles.com/index.php/cms/24/Leggera

Relatively short head tubes, though. Good stuff.


You're not looking at the seat tube angles are you? They look pretty relaxed but the head angles are a bit on the steep side if anything. 43 rake might be the go.
That's cool - a small frame with sharp steering.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:07 pm 
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I was looking at this chart:

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Jason points out it doesn't apply to this bike, however. Which should have been obvious since Jason said it was a 54 cm top tube frame, and there's nothing 54 cm in the chart.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:34 pm 
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Nice looking! Where in Italy are they located?


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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:47 pm 
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My worry is this is another Guru Photon where the frames start snapping because they're so brittle.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:29 pm 
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That BB cutout makes a lot of sense now that I see the picture of the cable guide from the Fondriest. Does the cutout look large enough to then put a Di2 battery up in the downtube? How clean looking would that be!


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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:33 pm 
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It's a custom frame but if it has Di2 specific hardware, the frame could be lighter. Therefore to those not using Di2, not so cool.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:20 pm 
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Looks like regular cable stops in the DT to me. If anything it would be even lighter if preped for di2

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:16 pm 
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djconnel wrote:
I was looking at this chart:

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Jason points out it doesn't apply to this bike, however. Which should have been obvious since Jason said it was a 54 cm top tube frame, and there's nothing 54 cm in the chart.


Oops sorry. Got my Es and Fs confused, but as you say the chart doesn't apply anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:30 pm 
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Any idea on the construction method? The looks appear to be a glued and wrapped frame. NOt too many of those since the Scott Addict. Is this made in Italy as well (I'm not talking about majority of value added, but the actual manufacturing)?

Looks very nice.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
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Looks very nice!
Disappointed that it's BB30 though. I'm expecting new 2012 and onward bikes to utilize 386 more often.

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:07 pm 
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It's tube to tube, wrapped. There's some info and video on the Sarto web site. Also: http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.c ... shops.html

And in this pre-interbike blurb Sarto says they're working on a 660g frame: http://www.rbaction.net/New-Releases/co ... eview.html


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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
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Aren't all of the custom builders doing the same? Calfee, Crumpton, Guru, Parlee, Spin, Strong, Kish, Serotta, Berk...

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
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If they're all doing the same custom spec'ing of tubes & geometries per customer, which will essentially determine stiffness, comfort & weight, what is beginning to differentiate them besides price? What would make a potential customer... say gumgardner for example since he's the most relevant and known potential custom-customer here right now... choose one over the other?

Finishes?
Details?
Customer service?
Turn-around time?
A fresh batch of homemade cookies custom made to avoid any allergies?
A personal tour of the best cycling roads in France that have not been featured in Le Tour yet?

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:00 pm 
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Price list: http://tinyurl.com/sartopricelist2011

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 Post subject: Re: 700 Gram frame
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:11 pm 
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prendrefeu wrote:
If they're all doing the same custom spec'ing of tubes & geometries per customer, which will essentially determine stiffness, comfort & weight, what is beginning to differentiate them besides price? What would make a potential customer... say gumgardner foexample since he's the most relevant and known potential custom-customer here right now... choose one over the other?


Quality, aesthetics, philosophy, communication.

Same as with steel.

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