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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:00 am 
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That video was painful to watch, ... 30 seconds in I was asking myself why they called it the "Aloha"

Nice looking frame though.


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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:46 am 
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djconnel wrote:
That said, if the geometry numbers are favorable, sign me up for the Weight Weenies group buy :). I assume there's going to be a Weight Weenies group buy, right?


I LOL'd. Hard. :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:58 am 
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pk0r - I am very interested in picking this up as my next Di2 super weenie project when it is commercially available but have one question if you are in a position to answer it - is the frame subject to any industry tests like EFBe or others? At this weight, durability is important. C bikes can be superlight and stiff but could be brittle, so durability tests are important to reassure consumers.

I have done a paper build on this 580g frame with Di2 (untuned) and come up with about 4.1 to 4.2kg - more than 0.5kg lighter than my existing build, or put it in another way, more than 10% lighter which makes it interesting to embark on this project.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:37 am 
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Maybe this helps until pk0r shows up to clarify further:

http://www.ax-lightness.de/xist4c/web/AX-TEST_id_21084_.htm

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:41 pm 
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The frame will for sure be tested according to EFBe standards as that is a widely accepted industry standard. We have already been working with EFBe before on other of our products as well.
Further complete specs (spec tables) are to follow as said and will as well show whether Dan (djconell) should start playing the lottery or not. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Fantastic. Please add me to the lottery list too.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:09 pm 
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I'm going to need to win the lottery to afford one!

Drool-rific.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:33 pm 
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You guys are assuming its going to be astronomically priced and poo-pooing it already.
Look at the list price of the AX crankset. Its right in line with Zipp and less than THM.
Same with the AX fork- its less than or equal to the THM depending on the model.
This is high-end cycling equipment and you expect to pay a premium for it. Dont knock it for price before its even out.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:54 pm 
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Who's poo-pooing it, Colo?
Times are tough (for many of us) - so hey, a lottery win can buy all the AX Lightness products to match the frame!

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:04 pm 
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coloclimber wrote:
You guys are assuming its going to be astronomically priced and poo-pooing it already.
Look at the list price of the AX crankset. Its right in line with Zipp and less than THM.
Same with the AX fork- its less than or equal to the THM depending on the model.
This is high-end cycling equipment and you expect to pay a premium for it. Dont knock it for price before its even out.


No complaints from me on price. This isn't like Project California. On the other hand, I have none of the components you cite, either. "High end" is Red, Dura-Ace, that sort of thing. THM, AX, Schmolke, etc are more like "ultra-high-end". Which is great: I'm definitely a fan.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:27 pm 
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i would love this frame for my next build i hope it will be cheaper than the project california .i wonder if it will be out next year?i know you pay for quality and the lighter you go the more expensive it gets when its due out ill put my name down for one asap.


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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:47 pm 
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Nobody is poo-pooing the price. In fact, at the indicative price of Euros 4,600 for frame, fork, headset, it is a "steal", especially $ per g. This price in fact should set a market standard for the other circa 600g weenie manufacturers. I dare say that it may lead to more reasonably priced uber weenie offerings in the future. Winning the lottery just makes it sweeter :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:56 pm 
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Discoverspeed wrote:
Nobody is poo-pooing the price. In fact, at the indicative price of Euros 4,600 for frame, fork, headset, it is a "steal", especially $ per g.


Alpha: 580 grams, $6000
PedalForce: 940 grams, $850

$14.30/gram

Compare:

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Again, no criticism of AX-Lightness, but "steal" isn't the term I'd use on a strict weight-loss strategy.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:21 pm 
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My "steal" reference is to circa 600g production (not custom) FRAMES which are fully compliant with industry tests like EFBe (costs money to do this but reassures consumers). I guess I did not make clear that I was comparing $ per g to other comparable circa 600g frames. Did not make reference to components - that is another category. Also, I think the circa 600g frames are different from circa 900g frames where the competition among manufacturers are higher. It may not be a linear $ per g saved function when we go lighter and lighter but at the 600g range, I would consider the AX Alpha as well priced. This frame is more reasonably priced compared to Project California (and one other that I am aware of but not released as public information yet) for example.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:48 pm 
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GonaSovereign wrote:
Cervelo is as Canadian as ever, even if the bean counters are in Neuchatel.

It's not just bean counters in Neuchâtel, Cervélo co-founder Gérard Vroomen is also living and working in Switzerland now.
But most of the development is still in Canada + their new development in California (Project California).


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