Weight Weenies
* FAQ    * Search    * Trending Topics
* Login   * Register
HOME Listings Blog NEW Galleries NEW FAQ Contact About
It is currently Sun May 29, 2016 6:25 pm
Recently the board software has been updated and there are some known bugs/failures:
- Avatars are currently not being displayed ✔ FIXED
- Tapatalk connection is currently broken ✔ FIXED

If you find more errors please post it here: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=139062


All times are UTC+01:00





Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 30 posts ]  Go to page 1 2 Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:30 pm
Posts: 1871
OK, there is obviously a small weight decrease and an associated cost increase in moving from FORCE to RED. But are there any really functional differences that I should be aware of in making a selection ?
For example, in ther past, the RED shifters had front derailleur trim capability lacking in the FORCE; but I hear that this capability has been added to FORCE for 2010.
Some people have stated that the FORCE front derailleur is actually stiffer and more positive shifting than the RED.

I will be shifting (pun?) from Dura Ace 7800 to SRAM Force or RED (BB30 on both, by the way). So far, the increase in cost to RED does not seem worth it on weight alone.
Any and all comments would be appreciated.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:04 am
Posts: 40
From what I've gathered in other posts on the topic (and I'm sure someone is going to mention to use the search function), Force only has Zero-Loss shifting for the front , not the rear, and Force does not have ceramic bearings for the cranks and the rear derailleur pulleys. Most people will say though that the Force front derailleur is better than Red.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:30 pm
Posts: 1871
THanks.
I did start with a SEARCH, but in my own defense, the search function on this site is very slow, and then, when all the hits come up, it is difficult to tell if the comments apply specifically to the 2010 group components. :beerchug:


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:39 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:47 pm
Posts: 18
Location: SF Bay Area, California
willwork4rice is correct. The main differences are the Zero Loss on the rear that is unique to Red, and the stiffer Force front derailleur.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:30 am
Posts: 853
Location: So Cal
If you can live without the Zeroloss on the rear shifting and the bling...I'd rock the Force.

You'd also save some cash that you can put elsewhere on your bike.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:31 pm
Posts: 3670
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada
I think Road Bike has the comparison of all the groups and RED and Force were only 2g different so I would go for Force and the better look.

_________________
BIG DADDY B FLOW
AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT

Cervelo SLC 5960g/13.13 lbs


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:01 pm
Posts: 1681
With a new Red group coming out next year, I think it is a no brainer to get the 2010 Force. It looks good (IMO), is fairly light, and is affordable. The crank weight on the GXP version is a bit high, but the BB30 Force crank is decent as well.

I've had Red, Force, and Rival on different bikes. I could never tell the "zero loss" for the rear der was missing form the Force or Rival. All of them have it on the front shifting and that is where it was needed.


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:29 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:13 pm
Posts: 99
I have Red shifters and brake calipers on a 09 CAAD9 that is using 2010 Force derailluers front and rear. I am really pleased with the shifting and braking of the bike, I upgraded from 1990 Shimano 105 so it is truly a leap ahead relative to the down tube shifters.

I was able to source Red shifters last year NIB for less than pre-order of 2010 Force shifters and the same for calipers. By shopping around I think you can still get Red shifters and brakes for same or less money than 2010 Force which if nothing else shaves some weight. I don't see any functional difference in the brakes, just shaves some weight. The Red shifters are sweet and I tried Shimano and Campy before building the bike and decided on the RED.

If you are putting a BB30 crank on the bike, the Cannondale SI or SI-SL Hollowgram models are better than the SRAM offerings. I scored a Hollowgram setup for $356 USD and am fully confident in stating that it is superior in materials and design to the SRAM models. In summary if you are buying new parts at market prices you can build the bike with Red shifters and brakes and hopefully have some funds to put toward the Cannondale Hollowgram crank also which will also shave considerable weight.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:22 pm 
Offline
Shop Owner

Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:39 am
Posts: 230
Location: Boulder, CO
I've ridden RED for a few years on my weight weenie bike and I've always liked it. Then this past fall I built a CX bike and, to save a little money, I put Force on it. I thought that the Force would be fine, but I was surprised that I ended up LOVING the Force -- it feels great and in some ways I like it better than my RED. So if budget is a concern at all, I'd go with the Force. And given the rather substantial price difference, you could get Force and some aftermarket cranks, or brake calipers, and end up with a lighter-than-RED group for the same price.

_________________
www.cyclingtechnology.com
(NOTE: This poster owns a retail business selling weight conscious bike related products.)


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:31 pm
Posts: 3670
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada
I would totally agree about aftermarket cranks and brakes. There are a lot of options for light weight brakes these days that are close to the dollar value of the SRAM offerings but lighter and for cranks there are lots to choose from.

_________________
BIG DADDY B FLOW
AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT

Cervelo SLC 5960g/13.13 lbs


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:45 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:37 pm
Posts: 929
Location: Northeast USA
Love the thread... I went with Force because s**t happens to components and they don't last that long.... and by s**t I thought I meant a crash (especially with the shifters which are very over-priced IMHO) but it turned out that I was able to say upright for 15,000km using "The Force" before it turned to the dark side:
Image
Bzzzzzt.
Get the details from today http://waywardcyclist.wordpress.com/

_________________
AX Vial Evo: 4970g
Addict SL : 5235g
My Cycling Blog
Strava: Wayward Cyclist


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:30 pm
Posts: 1871
Thanks for all the inputs!
I will continue to be interested in any comments, but as a practical matter, I went ahead and bought a complete 2010 FORCE group.
It will robably be another month before I have it together and provide any feedback of my own.

Thanks.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:28 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:16 pm
Posts: 149
Location: Brisbane CA
I'm running both on different bikes. My Cervelo has Red and Addict has 2010 Force. Before that I had the original Force. All good stuff.. It's pretty simple as several other's noted, for the money 2010 Force is it. Red is still better because it cost more.. j/k.. The difference between isn't worth it. Save your money and get a nice crankset and brakes. Though the Red and Force brakes work very nice.

All the weights seems honest accept for the Red Front Der. It's stated as it's 58 for braze on, mines is 78.


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 29, 2012 11:16 pm
Posts: 125
Sorry for the resurrection but what about the shift lever travel? Do red and Force have the same travel?

I tried it in a shop briefly - Red 2013 and old Red seem to have the same travel, but it seemed that another shifter I tried had more travel before the shift? I think it was Rival but not sure.

_________________
London2Paris24 2014 Fundraising for Scope UK
Facebook Page for more information and updates!


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:30 am
Posts: 853
Location: So Cal
The 2013 Force now has Zero Loss in the rear shifter. The travel should be the same as Red before shifter engagement. Rival and Apex do not have the ZL on the rear shifter.


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 30 posts ]  Go to page 1 2 Next

   Similar Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Sram Force 1 problem

in Road

cerro

4

506

Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:31 am

djcharlou View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Best value SRAM Red/Force/Rival groupset mix?

in Road

hjb1000

13

1000

Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:46 pm

prebsy View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Raw carbon look on sram force cranks!

[ Go to page: 1 2 ]

in Road

UncleJohn

24

2253

Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:47 pm

UncleJohn View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. SRAM Force / Rival 22 compatibilty with 10 speed

in Road

DeLuz

9

478

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:44 pm

topflightpro View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. 11 speed DA9000 cassette with Sram Force 22 shifters

in Road

Champ5000

1

382

Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:54 am

fEichert View the latest post


All times are UTC+01:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: adg7, Baidu [Spider], Exabot [Bot], Majestic-12 [Bot], mimason, Yahoo [Bot] and 23 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited