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 Post subject: Misc bolt list
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:29 pm 
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Heres my list of bolts for tuning, maybe it will save some people some time. If anyone has anything to add please post it.

Campy Record

Front Deraileur
Limit screws M3x16mm X2 (Button)
Pivot screw M4x6mm (Button)
Cage Screw M4x6mm (Button)
Mount bolt M5x14mm (socket head)
Pinch bolt M5x8mm (Tapered socket head)

Rear Deraileur
Limit screws M4x14mm X2 (modified button)
Pinch bolt M5x8mm (Tapered socket head)

Ergo Shifter
Pivot fixing bolt M4x22 (Socket head)
Ergo Mount M6x10-12mm(Brake mount nut)

Brakes
Pinch bolt M6x8mm (socket head)

Misc Campy
Downtube brz-on M5x8mm (button head)
Cable guide M5x6-8mm(button head)
crank bolts M8x24mm



Dura Ace

Front Deraileur
Pinch bolt M5x10mm (tapered or socket head)
mount bolt M5x14mm (socket head)
Limit screws M4x10mm (tapered socket head)

Rear Deraileur
Pinch bolt M5x8mm (TSH, or socket head)
Barrel adj M5x12mm (specialty)
Pulley bolts M5x12mm (Flat head socket/shoulder)
B-screw M4x12mm (button head modified)
Limit Screw M4x12mm (button head modified)

Brakes
Pad mount bolt M5x12mm (oversize button head)
Shoe bolt M4x6mm (set, BH, SH, TSH)
EC bolt M4x10mm (TSH)
Pinch bolt M6x8mm (SH,TSH)
QR mount M4x5mm (SH)
2nd pivot lock M4x4mm (Set)
Main pivot lock M4x4mmX2(Set)
Arm spring adj M4x6mm (Set)
Arm Bolt(Front) M6x6mm (Set)
Arm Bolt(Rear) M6x18mm (Set)

Misc Dura ace
Downtube brz-on M5x8mm (BH)
Cable guide M5x6-8mm(BH)
Crank Pinch boltM6x16mm (SH)

Specialty dura ace
BAxle rear dearileur
Plate Axle rear deraileur





Other bolts:

Aheadset top caps M6x30mm (SH)
Syntace stem
Front clamp M5x16mm(SH)
Steerer mount M5x12mm(SH)
Ritchey WCS stem
All bolts M5x16mm (SH)

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Thanks Madcow, love postings like this. :thumbup:

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Excellent, Madcow...a terrific Public Service Announcement...should be a sticky.

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Excellent, Madcow...a terrific Public Service Announcement...should be a sticky.


Absolutely. Well done, madcow.

Just one suggestion; would it be possible to state on the list the original material used (if known at all) and the suggested one to replace that?

For example:
Original hardened steel: replacement titanium > possible vendor.
Original: Aluminium alloy: light alu alloy > possible vendor.

Furthermore, but it'll take some work and a precison scale, original weight, new > saving.

This is just a suggestion though, feel free to reject it 8) .

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Brilliant post, Madcow, as always!


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Nice job, should be added to the bolt tunning page that Nino wrote. :thumbup:

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fdegrove wrote:
Hi,


Just one suggestion; would it be possible to state on the list the original material used (if known at all) and the suggested one to replace that?


I updated the list with this, I went off of memory but Im pretty sure these are all right. The last column is original/replacement.

for more savings carbon bolts can be used in place of almost all aluminum bolts. But do not substitue for the Ti ones. And there are some exceptions such as if using power cordz, Ti pinch bolts work better than aluminum

Some bolts such as set type are very hard to find in any form other than steel, so some modifications may have to be made to bh and tsh to fit them.


Campy Record

Front Deraileur
Limit screws M3x16mm X2 (Button) steel/aluminum
Pivot screw M4x6mm (Button) sttel/aluminum
Cage Screw M4x6mm (Button) steel/aluminum
Mount bolt M5x14mm (socket head) Ti/aluminum
Pinch bolt M5x8mm (Tapered socket head) Ti/aluminum

Rear Deraileur
Limit screws M4x14mm X2 (modified button) steel/aluminum
Pinch bolt M5x8mm (Tapered socket head) Ti/aluminum

Ergo Shifter
Pivot fixing bolt M4x22 (Socket head) Steel/aluminum
Ergo Mount M6x10-12mm(Brake mount nut) steel/Ti

Brakes
Pinch bolt M6x8mm (socket head) Ti/aluminum

Misc Campy
Downtube brz-on M5x8mm (button head) Steel/aluminum
Cable guide M5x6-8mm(button head) Steel/aluminum
crank bolts M8x24mm Steel/aluminum



Dura Ace

Front Deraileur
Pinch bolt M5x10mm (tapered or socket head) steel/aluminum
mount bolt M5x14mm (socket head) steel/aluminum
Limit screws M4x10mm (tapered socket head) aluminum/aluminum

Rear Deraileur
Pinch bolt M5x8mm (TSH, or socket head) steel/aluminum
Barrel adj M5x12mm (specialty) steel/aluminum
Pulley bolts M5x12mm (Flat head socket/shoulder) steel/aluminum
B-screw M4x12mm (button head modified) aluminum/aluminum
Limit Screw M4x12mm (button head modified) aluminum/aluminum

Brakes
Pad mount bolt M5x12mm (oversize button head) steel/ti
Shoe bolt M4x6mm (set, BH, SH, TSH) steel/aluminum
EC bolt M4x10mm (TSH) steel/aluminum
Pinch bolt M6x8mm (SH,TSH) steel/aluminum
QR mount M4x5mm (SH) steel/aluminum
2nd pivot lock M4x4mm (Set) steel/aluminum
Main pivot lock M4x4mmX2(Set) steel/aluminum
Arm spring adj M4x6mm (Set) steel/aluminum
Arm Bolt(Front) M6x6mm (Set) steel/aluminum
Arm Bolt(Rear) M6x18mm (Set) steel/Ti
Mounting nut M6xvaries(specialty) steel/aluminum
Mounting bolt M6xvaries(specialty) steel/Ti

Misc Dura ace
Downtube brz-on M5x8mm (BH) steel/aluminum
Cable guide M5x6-8mm(BH) steel/aluminum
Crank Pinch boltM6x16mm (SH) steel/Ti

Specialty dura ace
BAxle rear dearileur steel/Ti
Plate Axle rear deraileur steel/Ti





Other bolts:

Aheadset top caps M6x30mm (SH) steel/aluminum
Syntace stem
Front clamp M5x16mm(SH) steel/ti
Steerer mount M5x12mm(SH) steel/ti
Ritchey WCS stem
All bolts M5x16mm (BH) steel/Ti


I do alot of these kits on bikes, Ill start weighing some and posting them as they are done

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Hi,

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I updated the list with this, I went off of memory but Im pretty sure these are all right. The last column is original/replacement.


Marvellous....
You're a true gentleman, madcow. 8)

Ciao, :wink:

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Heres a few examples of weight savings by tuning

Campy front der.
Stock braze on 71grams/ tuned 63grams/ with carbon pinch and mount bolts 61grams/

Campy Rear der.
Stock 187/tuned 185

DA front der.
Stock braze on 74grams/tuned 70grams/ with carbon pinch and mount bolts 68grams

DA Rear Der.
Stock 182/Tuned 176(did not replace either axle pivots)/with carbon pinch, and pulley bolts 173grams

DA rear brake
Stock 154/Tuned 139grams(everything except main mounting bolt)

Crank bolts
Campy steel 16grams per bolt
Ti 7grams per bolt
Aluminum 5grams per bolt

Chain ring bolts set of 5
Steel 25grams
Aluminum 10grams

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:thumbup: Super contribution.
Thanks for all the effort and organization.

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will shimano (xtr) fixing bolt fit a campy (veloce) Rear Deraileur ?


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What about carbon bolts?


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I was just concidering to tune my new Camp Record group and this info helps my mutch

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Thanks for your contribution!

I Made it sticky for a while, and will ask Florian if he is willing to add this somewhere on the website.

If you have got something to add, feel free and post a reply with all the info.

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Drop of a hat !!

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