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I think it's the crankarms that hasn't got enough clearance to the chainstays.


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While I'm very happy with my R3 finish and quality, I no longer think any carbon fiber frame justifies a $3000 price point. I've ridden many $1000 frames that are just as well finished and ride just as well. And these days, it seems that the $1000 frame companies are trying harder.


Which frames?

Why do you all complain so much? If you do not like the S3, just do not buy it ;)


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Onto page 2 and no real life examples the problems have been given.

Any danger of getting some evidence the actual S3 / SR issue before this drags on any further???


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Mario Jr. wrote:
I think it's the crankarms that hasn't got enough clearance to the chainstays.



I guess that can pose a problem. The chainstains of the S3 are quite extraordinary. This width of Campagnolo's Ultra-Torque cranksets did allready pose some problem since they hit the market: some frames weren't compatible with them (I think the Orba Ordu frame in some sizes for instance). The Ultra-Torque cranksets are actually quite slim, so if the S3 does have a problem with them, the problem will not only affect the SuperRecord but all Campagnolo UT cranksets, both 10speed and 11speed.

But let's first hear what the compatibility issue is all about !

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zrima wrote:
Which frames?


how about reading the forum?

try this...

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... hp?t=51868


zrima wrote:

Why do you all complain so much? If you do not like the S3, just do not buy it ;)


and if you don't like reading complaints, don't read the thread.;)


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I just stumbled upon this thread and find it hard to believe that a bicycle frame manufacturer produced a "cutting edge" bike that is not compatible with a host of wheels and extremely popular component groups.

I understand Shimano compatible BB's like Trek etc, but this is ridiculous because it seems to be an oversight instead of something that was purposefully planned to provide a benefit. Cervelo couldnt even spin this if they wanted to.
A big OPPPS on the release of this frame prematurely.

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So apart from the wheels issue that is on the Cervelo website, there are no other known issues.

There might be an issue with Campag chainsets, however, there might not!

Regarding the wheels issue, if you're buying the S3 you want a light, aero bike so aero wheels are a must. Backward compatibility might not be a huge issue. If it is an issue, just buy one of the others or a lighter SLC-SL.


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So run this one again - to paraphrase - we can't get the the parts to fit because they're made too accurately?? In other words, there is a lack of accuracy in our frames construction that we can't guarantee that parts will fit!

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In other words, there is a lack of accuracy in our frames construction that we can't guarantee that parts will fit!


That's what it seems to me.

Plus, a lack of flexibility equals extinction. Unless humans intervene (Cervelo lovers) and buy it regardless, saving the frame from doom.
You have to have a product so great that everything will change for it. I don't think this frame is that great.
Although one day I think everything will be narrow and aero when it comes to bike designs.

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Although one day I think everything will be narrow and aero when it comes to bike designs.


Just like it was in the heydays of the finest steel frames....

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ciao, :wink:

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Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
So apart from the wheels issue that is on the Cervelo website, there are no other known issues.

There might be an issue with Campag chainsets, however, there might not!

Regarding the wheels issue, if you're buying the S3 you want a light, aero bike so aero wheels are a must. Backward compatibility might not be a huge issue. If it is an issue, just buy one of the others or a lighter SLC-SL.


Your conclusion in the first sentence is wrong, Cervelo doesn't announce more issues (jet).

For every racer the wheelset compatibility problem is a real problem, you are going to sent the mechanic back to get another wheel because it won't fit your bike? :lol: Besides that you don't want to train always on carbon fibre wheels, especially when it's wet. It would be nice when you just could install some Campa Eurus wheels for example.


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Docfink's on the Cervelo forum...I guess it only proves it can be installed :?
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monty dog wrote:
So run this one again - to paraphrase - we can't get the the parts to fit because they're made too accurately?? In other words, there is a lack of accuracy in our frames construction that we can't guarantee that parts will fit!


EXACTLY!!! WTF?

LOL, basically what that letter states is that Cervelo's tolerances and clearances have ZERO continuity. Saying Record sometimes fits, sometimes it doesn't, some wheels fit sometimes, blah, blah, blah....What a joke!!!


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So what are the exact changes between the 2009 S3 and the 2008 SLC-SL?


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Docfink's on the Cervelo forum...I guess it only proves it can be installed

... as long as you don't try to turn the crank more than 30 degrees. :wink:

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