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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:30 pm 
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Has anyone heard anything on the aero of the new Tarmac vs. the Allez Sprint. They say the Tarmac is the same aero as the old Venge. I heard a reference of the Sprint being the same aero as the old Venge in low yaw conditions with the Aerofly handlebar and a -17 degree stem.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:25 pm 
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pyrahna wrote:
DartanianX wrote:
The stock bikes come with a EW-JC200 E-Tube 2 Port Junction, not a EW-WU111 Di2 D-Fly.

Visually very similar.

The stock Di2 bikes all have terrible Di2 cabling and I'm shocked Specialized haven't done something cleaner or integrated the Di2 more cleanly.

I'll post some photos of the bike I built from a frame up soon.


Agreed that the stock ultralight bikes had the Di2 setup phoned in on a massive level. Extra cable length outside the tape...just messy job overall. So much potential for a clean job and they dropped it on the execution.
I think a lot of that has to do with shimano dictating the parts list. The lack of cable ports in the bars is dissapointing tho.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:33 pm 
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Tried to place an order for a 52 Sagan Superstar today and was informed that Specialized will not produce anymore in that color scheme. It is considered a limited edition.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:15 am 
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Colt501 wrote:
Tried to place an order for a 52 Sagan Superstar today and was informed that Specialized will not produce anymore in that color scheme. It is considered a limited edition.


hahaha... Yea, because he won the WC again. Did you really think they'd continue making the color scheme commemorating the 2nd win? He's the ONLY person to win 3, back to back to back. There's NO way that Specialized is gonna miss the opportunity to give him a special bike and sell it to us.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:16 pm 
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CrankAddictsRich wrote:

hahaha... Yea, because he won the WC again. Did you really think they'd continue making the color scheme commemorating the 2nd win? He's the ONLY person to win 3, back to back to back. There's NO way that Specialized is gonna miss the opportunity to give him a special bike and sell it to us.


I actually heard from Ron, the designer of the paint scheme that Sagan likes the "Superstar" paint so much that he doesn't want a new one.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:23 pm 
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ProfessorChaos wrote:
CrankAddictsRich wrote:

hahaha... Yea, because he won the WC again. Did you really think they'd continue making the color scheme commemorating the 2nd win? He's the ONLY person to win 3, back to back to back. There's NO way that Specialized is gonna miss the opportunity to give him a special bike and sell it to us.


I actually heard from Ron, the designer of the paint scheme that Sagan likes the "Superstar" paint so much that he doesn't want a new one.


Ron told me the same thing... but I still have a feeling that Specialized will doing another one. I just can't imagine that they will miss the oppurtunity to do a custom paint scheme for such a rare event.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:38 am 
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still no actual weights other than the two non ULs on IG?


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:14 pm 
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The first Ultralight frameset we've had delivered. The fork weight is uncut. 56cm frame.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:23 pm 
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so that's 797g for a 56 frame which is 10% overweight :-|

what's the 176g weight ? (edit - seatpost ?)


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:37 pm 
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Yeah, that's the seat post. Although Specialized don't claim a weight other than "below 800g" which is on their website. The rest of the weights are all from journalist's articles.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:58 pm 
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Yeah, that's the seat post. Although Specialized don't claim a weight other than "below 800g" which is on their website. The rest of the weights are all from journalist's articles.


nope - the spesh website made those claims - there was a whole section on how they hand selected the lightest frames and gave them a 10g paint job (the weight of 9 gummy bears) and it was 733g for a 56. They've pulled most of that but it still says 733g on:

https://www.specialized.com/gb/gb/new-tarmac


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:27 pm 
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"A 733g frame weight and 13.6lb complete bike weight (Ultralight Version, size 56cm) should say everything you need to know. As mentioned above, this ultra-low weight comes from the ability to co-optimise each of the Tarmac’s performance targets, so that reducing weight doesn’t negatively affect the frames handling or aerodynamic performance."

Source: Specialized website

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:59 pm 
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There's a rear brake outer cable included in that 797g, no idea what that would weigh but it would bring the frame closer to 733g without it.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:06 pm 
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tommyb wrote:
There's a rear brake outer cable included in that 797g, no idea what that would weigh but it would bring the frame closer to 733g without it.


the below 800g isn't size specific - so that means the 61cm should be below 800g also.

I strongly suspect that as production ramped up they realised that the 733g was unrealistic so quietly removed it from the website. They just missed the one surviving reference to it on the product info page. A bit sneaky but there's not a lot anyone can do.

Annoying to me because if I'd have known it was overweight before I ordered then I'd have taken the hit and bought the sagan colour as the weight penalty isn't huge. Serves me right for believing specialized :(


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:07 pm 
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what would the gram difference be between a 54c frame and 56c frame?


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