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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:02 am 
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Franzam wrote:
@delpi:
when ( date ) was the article in the ciclismo magazine ?
and can You please translate the most interesting parts of the article. I know its a lot of work :wink:

Corrado told me in january, he is waiting for the new durable magnesium rims


Delpi, if you email me the article (better scan) I can translate it for Franzam et al. I am not able able to read it well here.
I think there is much interest in these wheels.
Please provide the date of the article too.

saluti
P.S. se mi puoi dare un consiglio: do you know the Etralite E-Bones RC compact crankset, and Bottom Bracket? Good?

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@spytech:
EST 13 front: 400g,
EST 14 rear: 430g

They are a much heavier than the AC 350, but much stiffer.


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I just saw the new Spada Carbonio Aero clinchers.

38mm full carbon rim, 1316gm pr :shock:

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Ammended list.

1. Spada Stiletto Mg 1080g (NYA) $850
2. American Classic Magnesium 1207g 28/32 spokes, 24/24mm rims $1100
3. Spada Carbonio Aero Light 1260g, $650
4. Spada Stiletto Light 1280gm, 28/28 spokes, 18/18mm rims $650
5. Rolf Prima Elan Areo, 1295g, 20/24 spokes, 24mm rims, $950
6. Spada Carbonio Aero 1312g
7. Rolf Prima Elan 1314g (actual), 20/24 spokes, 24mm rims $850
8. American Classic 350 1320g (standard build), 28/32 spokes, $599
9. Spada Stiletto 1340g
10. FRM SP-R21SD Light 1348g
11. Campagnolo Ultra Hyperon 1350g, 22/24 spokes, $2200
12. Extra lite ExtraClimb 1360g
13. Nimble Fly 1367g
14. Velomax Victoria 1370g (145lb recomended weight limit, to be released in Jan)
15. Wheel Craft Sprint DS 1370g ( Actual) 18/24 Spokes, 40/40mm Rims $A1000
16. Speed Dream R 359 1390g, 25/32 spokes, $529
17. Ritchey WCS Protocal 1390g (to be released in Jan)
18. Campagnolo Hyperon 1395 g, 22/24 spokes
19. Nimble Spider 1400g
20. FSA (don't know model) 1400g (to be released in Jan)
21. Topolino 1413g (actual)
22. Velomax Ascent II 1423g (actual) $700
23. American Classic 420 1425g (standard build) 18/24 spokes, 34/34mm rims, $800
24. Wheelcraft Classic Elite 1427g (DT Rev's) 28/32 spokes, $A1000
25. Corima 1440g, 18/24 spokes, 45/45mm rims $994
26. Rolf Prima Vigor 1467g (actual) 14/16 spokes, 34mm rims, $850
27. X-Lab Aero 1475g
28. Velomax Orion II 1477g $700
29. Extra Lite ExtraRoad 1480g
30. Bontrager Race X Lite 1490g, 20/24 spokes, $750
31. Speed Dream Aerolite 1490g, 18/24 spokes, $549
32. American Classic Velocity Aerohead 1493g (Alloy Nipples) 28/32 spokes, 19/19mm rims $635
33. Rolf Prima Vigour RS, 1495g, 14/16 spokes, 34mm rims, $850
34. Velomax Tempest II 1500g $750
35. Corima WINIUM 1500g, 24/24 pokes, 24/24mm rims, $970
36. Bontrager X-Lite 1520g $700
37. Reynolds Stratus Clincher 1523g, 16/? spokes, 46mm rim, $1995
38. Tune Standard Lightweight 1530g
39. Spinergy Xaero Lite 1540g 18/24 spokes, 24/24 mm rims $700
40. Campagnolo Neutron 1550g $700
41. Ritchey WCS DS 1550g
42. Cane Creek Volos Team Ti, 18/28 Ti spokes, 21mm Alu rims 1556g
43. Spinergy Tilium Carbon 1557g (actual) $1000
44. Campag Eurus 1560g, 16/21 spokes
45. Mavic Ksyirum SSC SL TDF 1560g (actual) $1000
46. Hed Alps 1565g 18/24 spokes, 50/50mm rims
47. Zipp 303 1575g 20/18 spokes, 40/40mm rims $1350
48. Dura Ace 7800 1579g $800
49. Mavic Ksyrium SSC SL 1590g (actual) $800
50. Spinergy Carbon SS 1599g 16/20 spokes, 45/45mm rims $800

Would someone able to read german be able to research into the following wheelset?
Carbon Laufradsatz von frank http://www.frank-bikes.de/news.html I was unsure if it was clincher or tubular.
1316g, 20/24 spokes, 37/37mm rims, $800Euro

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hi

the frank wheels are tubular. they looks very cool. but i wouldn't take any products from frank. its a real discounter. i'm not sure, that the quality is really good engouh. about that, what i heard, aren't the frank high-quality products. and that is that what i prefer. i like to pay a little bit more and to be sure that i've got the best quality... :wink:

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Bummer: Ritchey WCS Protocol wheels are now listed 1440 g (1351 g advertised).

I'm glad I didn't wait for them to be available and went with CR-420s as they are lightweight and super aero (by clincher standards). Also they stay 100% true after many, many miles I put on them (73 kg/160 lbs.). The rear hub sucks though. :wink:


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I've been told there have been a lot of problems with the AC Magniesium wheels and they have been withdrawn from the market. So strike those from the list for now.

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Dr.Dos wrote:
..The rear hub sucks though. :wink:


Why? I have had nothing but great, trouble free operation from my AC hubs. I have the older hubwith steel body and the newer 225 gram hub plus a pair of the 68 gram fronts. The older set is laced to Velocity Aeroheads with Revolutions front, 15/16 DB rear while my newer set is CR350's and all Revolutions. I used Spline Drive nips on the newer set, lubed with dry film MoS2 to prevent galling. Nice, 1280 gram wheelset!

All of mine have the grease fitting and I inject fresh grease every 2-3 months or after rides in the wet. Sure, a bit of grease comes out after regreasing but it stops after one ride.


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Weisse Luft wrote:
Dr.Dos wrote:
..The rear hub sucks though. :wink:


Why? I have had nothing but great, trouble free operation from my AC hubs. I have the older hubwith steel body and the newer 225 gram hub plus a pair of the 68 gram fronts. The older set is laced to Velocity Aeroheads with Revolutions front, 15/16 DB rear while my newer set is CR350's and all Revolutions. I used Spline Drive nips on the newer set, lubed with dry film MoS2 to prevent galling. Nice, 1280 gram wheelset!

All of mine have the grease fitting and I inject fresh grease every 2-3 months or after rides in the wet. Sure, a bit of grease comes out after regreasing but it stops after one ride.


There have been numerous reports about problems with the AC rear hub. Enough so that Rolf who used the same internals in their own hub shell design changed completely away from it.

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 Post subject: Am. C hubs suck hard!
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I had last summer two pairs of wheels with them.

-CR350 rims+Laser spokes 24/28 +Micro+rear hub 1293g
-Zipp 360 rims+X-ray's 20/28+Micro+rear hub 1263g (tubulars)

All hubs broke their bearings in few months and both Micro hubs came non-opening mode same time. Inner tubes in Micro hub is very thin and weak. CR350 had poor braking surface, not weldet. Brakes started hammer hard after month riding. Say good by to 1300E....

Now I have paid my learning moneys and have DT RR1.1 rims (416/418g) /X-rays/Record hubs=1532g and Lightweight's are coming. I stay now on quality parts.

Longer life for wheels!

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I have over 500 hours on my new set of AC wheels, NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. The freewheel is silent and not a bit of bearing play. The main bearings are in fine shape, again NO PLAY.

I'll admit, there is a bit of grease/seal drag but this is insignificant. I'd rather it drag from seal friction and leak a bit of grease than the bearing be open to the elements.

I am on the light side at 70 kg so this must be the case. And I also baby the bearings with frequent greasing.


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Good luck to you.

Rear hub should have minimal play because lack off bearing support between hub core bearings. Bearing places are manufactured with too loose toleranses. Some bearings fall of, some need tools to remove when servicing hubs.

Front (micro) is very nice and light but need thicker mid tubes and bit better quality or bigger bearing.

All mine AMC hubs won't roll smooth after month.

With Campa, you have real life realibity and easy,on bike adjusted bearings. but "heavy" 118/250g hubs. And they are cheap! ~200E pair!

It would be nice to have same quality front hub with 20 spoke holes. Campa has 28 minium. I have pair of King's but they tend to be expensive and front hub isn't really lighter.

Any suggestion?

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The joint in my CR350 rims is as tight as ever with no noticable braking noise/feel. Now my Velocity rims are starting to make some noise but that is due to near accident abrasion. I got caught in an expansion joint crevice in a concrete road. Had to bunny-hop out of it, while in a paceline. It scored the rim in many places, one of the deeper scores being right on the joint. A bit of sandpaper glued to the shoes evened that out. Pseudo-machined sidewalls!

I wonder if American Classic has gone down in quality over the last 2 years?


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For the record I too am disatisfied with the bearings of my 420 rear hub.

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For the record, does any one with bad bearings in their AC hub have the older style with grease fittings? Do you lube the bearings often?


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