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 Post subject: In pursuit of less.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:35 pm 
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Thanks to Madcow I just picked up a set of the M2Racer skewers ans they came in 1 gram under the listed weight. He was also able to supply me with some alloy tuning bolts for my derailleurs. I'm also going to consider the M2Racer carbon cages provided I get some good feedback on them.

Here is the current buld list:

Frame: 1997 Litespeed Vortex Size 59
Fork: 2005 Easton EC-90Sl straight leg
Headset: Chris King 1”
Headset Spacers: 1 5mm carbon
Stem: Ritchey WCS tuned with titanium bolts
Computer: Polar CS100.
Handlebar: Kestrel EMS Pro SL
Handlebar Tape: Cinelli black
Handlebar plugs: Zipp carbonfiber.
Cables: QBP Housing, Power Cordz shift cables and Campy brake cables.
Saddle: Selle Iltalia SLR C64.
Seatpost: New Ultimate
Skewers: M2Racer quick release
Front Derailleur: 2004 Campagnolo Record 10 tuned
Rear Derailleur: 2004 Campagnolo Record 10
Shift & Brake Levers: Campagnolo Record 10 Ultra
Crank Set: THM Stronglight CT-2 172.5
Bottom Bracket: Token 872CT
Crank bolts: FSA M15 Alloy
Cassette: Cycle-Dynamics 11-21 titanium
Chain: KNC X10SL
Brakes: Zero Gravity
Wheelset: American Classic carbon tubulars 38mm rims 18 spoke front 24 rear Sapim C-Xray spokes
Tires: Continental Sprinters
Bottle: Cages: Token 16 gram carbon with Alloy bolts X 2
Pedals: Speedplay X-1 with BTP alloy butterflies

My Previous posting on my bike:

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... anmoretime

I pared it down to 13.13 lbs or 5960 grams and with different tires after I wear out the Continental Sprinters and the M2Racer cages will have the bike under 13 lbs even with the limitation of the one inch fork.

Did I miss anything?


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 Post subject: In pursuit of less.
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Sounds like you've got everything right.

If you used Cinelli tape, are the Cinelli plugs not lighter than the Zipp plugs ?


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The EC90 straight forks. They look the business and I'm considering them for another build. Are they as good as they look?


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KB wrote:
The EC90 straight forks. They look the business and I'm considering them for another build. Are they as good as they look?


Yes, I also have a EC90SLX on another bike and I really can't tell the difference when riding. I did wish the SLX came in a straight leg version. My SL came in at 333 grams uncut.

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Thanks. I've been using Look HSC's for some time and I'm very happy with them, but was thinking of a change next time, and it will be nice to have straight blade forks for a change.


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I bought a pair last month when I'd exhausted my search for Mizuno Fiandres.
As it happens the fork looks really good on my bike (IMO) and I'm really pleased with it.
Covered only 250km on it so far but it feels fine. I've made quite a few changes in my latest rebuild so it's difficult to say more about the fork in isolation.
A couple of critical dimensions for you; rake is 43mm, crown to axle is 368mm and mine weighed 344g uncut.


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How about the BTP cages?

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[quote="Juanmoretime"

Yes, I also have a EC90SLX on another bike and I really can't tell the difference when riding. I did wish the SLX came in a straight leg version. My SL came in at 333 grams uncut.[/quote]

Looks like a great build / adjustment ;)
I am also wishing I could find a straight leg lightweight fork. I like how they look better than the curved. The only thing I see is the AlphaQ which is an ugly orange & I dont like the aluminum sleeve bit either.


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Beautiful bike! Truly a case of less is more . . .

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Congratulations on lowering the weight even more Juanmoretime! Did you end up replacing the decals on your frame as well?
You could still save some weight by tuning the levers and maybe the rear derailleur if you didn't do that already. Otherwise I think you have a really nice build and I don't think you should change any of the components, although you could always get the weight down some more if you're prepared to spend the extra $$$.


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 Post subject: Re: In pursuit of less.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:26 pm 
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Juanmoretime wrote:
Thanks to Madcow I just picked up a set of the M2Racer skewers ans they came in 1 gram under the listed weight. He was also able to supply me with some alloy tuning bolts for my derailleurs. I'm also going to consider the M2Racer carbon cages provided I get some good feedback on them.

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Let me just say that Victor and Jesse at M2Racer make fanastic products. They've done a lot in their pursuit to providing us weight weenies with even greater weight savings than we can ever image. I wish them continued sussess and no doubt I'll continue to buy their products. I have most of their products on my bike and darn proud of it. :D

However, since you're asking feedback on the M2racer cage, unfortunately on last saturday's Montrose ride in SoCal, I did break my cage and lost my Campy water bottle. The bottle was no big deal to lose but I was unhappy with the failure of the cage. Luckily the riders in my group safely avoided the bottle.

Even though the Ti bolts were secure and tight, I don't think it factored into the reason why the cage broke. Although the breakage/tearing is near the bolt holes on the cage on both ends you'd think that over tightening was a contributing factor. No, the bolts were tight enough. The most likely cause of the failure was material fatigue and constant vibration up and down and side-to-side motion. It appears the bottle twisted and torqued the cage to failure. The road conditions here in SoCal is actually pretty good...from smooth fresh pavement to harsh cracked and potholed asphalt. So I'd say conditions here are what you'd expect of for a cage like this to handle. The cage may look fragile and flimsey but it's hold the bottle tight and secure. My cage has been in service since Oct 05 and has seen over 2500-3000 miles. So, I wasn't complete shocked at the breakage. I got my money's worth. I think if the cage was a little thicker near the bolt holes it wouldn't have cracked and would have provided more service for another 3000 miles.

I did buy a set in Oct so now cage 2 is on my bike...I like to ride with only one bottle as it saves on weight. :wink:

After all this would I buy another set?...you bet. I don't mind spending the cash and it is one of the lightest you can buy.

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Boonen wrote:
Congratulations on lowering the weight even more Juanmoretime! Did you end up replacing the decals on your frame as well?
You could still save some weight by tuning the levers and maybe the rear derailleur if you didn't do that already. Otherwise I think you have a really nice build and I don't think you should change any of the components, although you could always get the weight down some more if you're prepared to spend the extra $$$.


Boonen Thanks! I haven't tuned the rear derailleur yet or added the BTP Ergo clamps yet. After I removed the decals I decided I liked if without the decals so thats the way I'm riding it right now. I do have the decals should I get bored with the current look.

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I thought I would post an update on my Vortex since the project is almost complete. All that I need to do to complete it is complete the project is the drillium project on my KCNC cassette, install the titanium Chris King crown race, Thanks Madcow! And as the brake Power Cordz cables when the become available.

Do you think I should replace the rear tubular with the Vittoria Crono Evo CS I have on the front since it will drop the weight another 93 grams? :twisted:

Here is my updated parts list:

Frame: 1997 Litespeed Vortex Size 59
Fork: 2005 Easton EC-90Sl straight leg
Headset: Chris King 1” soom to have a titanium crown race
Headset Spacers: 10mm carbon
Stem: Ritchey 4-Axis tuned with titanium bolts
Computer: Polar CS100.
Handlebar: Zipp SL.
Handlebar Tape: Deda cork.
Handlebar plugs: BTP carbon
Cables: QBP Housing, Power Cordz shift cables and Campy brake cables.
Saddle: Ax Lightness Apollo
Seatpost: New Ultimate
Seatpost clamp: M2Racer.
Skewers: M2Racer quick release
Front Derailleur: 2004 Campagnolo Record 10 tuned
Rear Derailleur: 2004 Campagnolo Record 10 tuned
Shift & Brake Levers: Campagnolo Record 10 Ultra with BTP carbon clamps
Crank Set: THM Stronglight CT-2 175
Bottom Bracket: Token 872CT with hybrid cermic bearings.
Crank bolts: FSA M15 Alloy
Cassette: KCNC 11-23 alloy
Chain: KMC X10SL
Brakes: Zero Gravity
Wheelset: American Classic carbon tubulars 38mm rims 18 spoke front 24 rear Sapim C-Xray spokes
Tires: Vittria Crono Evo CS front. Continental Sprinter rear
Bottle: Cages: BTP 10 gram carbon with Alloy bolts X 2
Pedals: M2Racer OrbII


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Quite simply, that bike is so damn impressive I dont know what else to say.

Though how did you tune your derailleurs?


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Impressive one there!Congrats! :)


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