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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:59 am 
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+1 for pics! Great story, too!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:37 pm 
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Impressive price, and I agree that the journey is half the fun of building a bike. Definitely areas where you can make it lighter for not much more bucks. For example, a Kalloy Uno 7 90mm Stem with Ti bolts will weight below 90g, and only cost you around $50 total. Have a look at this thread:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:45 pm 
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Hi all

On the pricing I've actually spent another 320€ on parts (but chance of a lifetime price, nearly new) so at the moment I'm up to 770€ but Ive got lots of parts to sell from the bike and additions from the purchases. Wheels came with skewers, lock ring, tyres and tubes. Tyres sold for 26€ already, Pedals came with a spare set of keo classics . So once I've sold the 2 surplus lock rings, 2 sets of surplus skewers. Old campag ventos already sold for 95€ still on bids on ebay france plus keo sprint and classic pedals, that should come down by at least 180€ to 590€ for a 6.9kg bike including pedals.

Just as an aside the benefits are not just weight, Old Campag vento front wheel spins for 15 seconds before stopping. New Pro-lite Bracciano front spins for an incredible 5 mins 40 secs before stopping full rotations and then continues seesawing for 2 minutes just down to the weight of the valve. Can't wait to give them a try!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:28 pm 
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Have you considered the used bike market? It's possible to get a really fine bike (complete or otherwise) in excellent condition for far less than trying to assemble a new one and maintain a budget.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:51 pm 
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Even if you could get a used 6.9kg bike for 590€ (which I doubt), building one up is much more fun.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:38 am 
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Yes the fun is a very important factor and beating the market is very satisfying. I have looked at buying second hand bikes as an alternative but virtually impossible to find something with the same specifications. Starting with lightweight frame and building from there with second hand but mint condition parts at a massive discount is definitely cheapest. I also like having a bike that isn't identikit "off the shelf" or just a.n.other lightweight "because I can afford it" bike. I get more questions about the bike from other cyclists when I'm out than I would with a stock bike that's for sure.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:14 am 
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OK- just fitted the FSA Carbon Pro cranks, swapped out the FSA 50/34 rings and bolts for SRAM Powerglide plus lightweight red anodised allow bolts and that came in at 520g, 540 with the 15mm isis crank bolts. Replaced my old keo sprint pedals with the xpedo thrust 8 Ti pedals and got a combined crankset/pedals weight of 695g-700g (only 5g increments on the kitchen scales and wavered between the 2?)

The full bike weight, including pedals is now 6.9kg! (weighed with me on the digital bathroom scales and my weight deducted) Think I'll get a digital luggage balance to check with greater accuracy.

Still waiting on delivery of the uniQ ti skewers (42g) and the token 11T campag lock ring (5g). Existing one weigh 130g together, so if the advertised weights are accurate should save another 83g

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:39 pm 
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This thread is what I intend on doing with the Giant frame I just bought to build up.

My spreadsheet is showing 7.2kilos for under a grand (including giant TCR carbon frame and fork) and there are some overestimations in the list because I want a rideable bike -comfort over weight in some spots) even though I could shave some serious weight in some other spots even without tuning.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:38 pm 
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Now complete with the red anodised skewers and cassette lock ring which weighed in at 45g together. Weighed the bike several times and variously got 6.7 and 6.8kg so somewhere between the 2 and in official manufacturers "no pedals" terms equates to a little above 6.6 kg. Could drop it by a further 300g by going Record ti on rear mec, major wheel expense on mavic R-sys wheels and an CNC Alloy cassette but, and a big but at that, for roughly 590€ 300g less would add another 1000€ to that even with clever buying!

Time to add a photo I think!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:09 pm 
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Wow this looks super nice!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:47 pm 
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Looks good :thumbup: Don't be surprised though if the weight jumps up significantly when using a decent hanging scale (i.e. not a £5 luggage scale) instead of the current bathroom scales.

The journey and scouring for parts to put together your own custom build within your own constraints is definitely half the attraction of cycling for me. Any time spent off the bike and the obsession gets worse :D Sometimes it is easy to wish for unlimited money in putting a build together but it is far more satisfying to see how far you can push the boundaries within your own budget.

I'm guessing that the builds mentioned are using secondhand parts? For me, riding MTB, having a warranty and knowing someone hasn't ragged the hell out of a WW part features in my constraints. Trying to build light and cheap from new parts is a whole other challenge! Best I've managed is sub 8kg full sus MTB for £2000, which although is a lot of money is a damn light bike with all new parts for such a bike.

The beauty of all of this is that everyone's goals and restrictions can be different but is equally rewarding :D The only downside (as you've already mentioned) is you soon realise dropping just a few more g's gets very expensive very quickly and a budget can go right out of the window!


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Hi - Yes I agree using second hand parts carries a risk but by very careful search and selection you can find virtually new, pristine parts for a fraction of the price. For example the Stronglight Twister Ti ISIS BB was €160 from a bike shop but found a brand new one, never fitted, for sale on Troc Velo for €26. Asked him why so cheap and he said because it was italian thread and it was hard to sell. Carbon pro cranks - completely mint condition for £70, again not high demand because not many road bikes running ISIS hence fewer bidders on ebay. Pro-lite wheels £140 with only 500km on them, absolutely mint condition, hardly run in yet. Sold because they were Campag and the seller had switched to Shimano, Less people running Campag. Centaur carbon shifters and rear mec bought off a friend, totally meticulous by nature, as new condition €80.

In most cases I've then sold the old pieces for nearly as much as I paid for the upgrade parts. So, by choosing lesser known but quality parts or less common bike specs you can keep the price way down. Final example Xpedo Thrust ti pedals - hardly known in cycling circles, lighter than Look Keo Carbon ti blades, made by Wellgo so solid reputation for quality, Trying hard to break the stranglehold of Look, Time etc on the road pedal market. Used for 2 rides only, mint condition but bought for half the list price including a second set of Look keo classic pedals, which bizarrely also limits the amount of bidders.

I've worked out that to buy all the parts new would cost over €3600 so to me €590 is well worth it of such a high spec bike. 8)


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