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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:18 pm 
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So their top end mountain is £140/£175 depending on MIPS, but the road is £225, sans MIPS. They can sod off. Tired of this gouging for road.


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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:08 pm 
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The MTB helmets fit awkardly, anyone have experience of both their POC MTB helmet and their road offerings yet?


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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:40 pm 
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Any update on this? When I read "the fit is bad; it fits a round head", I read that... "the fit is excellent; it fits a round head."

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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:11 am 
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I tried on a medium at Interbike and loved it. It seems to fit pretty similar to a Giro Atmos.


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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:42 am 
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Rear view. POC have said they're sponsoring a team next year, so maybe it's Garmin? Can't imagine they would use the Tempor though, what with Garmin being one of the first teams to realise riders tend to drop their head in TTs...

I agree that the white one looks great, I'd just have to see how much of a balloon/mushroom it would look on my head... that and the fact that due to the location the logo looks to read 'poo'.

I also think they're missing a trick by not making the aero version a magnetic snap on cover. I understand the UCI rules, but producing a cover as well would benefit the rest of us.

I was told by one of the POC dealers at a bike show that they are sponsoring garmin next year


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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:45 am 
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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:21 am 
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Okay. Where can I get one?


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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:11 am 
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I like the fact that it has a smooth rounded shape (less stuff that can catch on the ground and less leverage on the head) and more coverage.
I'd have considered it if it had MIPS, the price is just too high as well.
As it stands now I'll try Scott Lin if I can find it in large (Taal is just a tad to small for me). Or I'll try to get hold of a Giro Air Attack and see if it fits (no MIPS but good shape).
The ICE technology seems really nice, even more so for mtb than road.


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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:56 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:11 pm 
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That's just nasty. Way overpriced, ugly, questionable qualities.
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POC.......COCK more like! :S

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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:51 am 
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Thanks for that, uh... contribution.

I like this POC effort. I like the general re-emphasis on the helmet as a visibility/impact/post-impact safety feature instead of a fashion statement. Light weight and high-flow vents are a great bonus.

It does look as though POC dropped the ball by choosing to bypass MIPS and failing to offer the fluo/signal green that's available from Lazer, Giro, Rudy, and others. Allegedly, POC has countered that any "green" color is going to get lost outside of urban environments, where more green vegetation exists, but how could anyone equate fluo green with foliage?

Seriously, there's a reason fire trucks and emergency vehicles are painted that color; it pops. And really, if dayglo green blends in with vegetation, then how did this happen... http://thereaganwing.files.wordpress.co ... edator.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:42 am 
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@SpinnerTim

Actually, "hi-viz" makes little to no difference for objects in motion. Retro-reflectivity does under certain circumstances.
We shouldn't go off topic here, but it has been covered in this thread:
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Oh, and Firetrucks and ambulances? Not all are Hi-Viz, actually.
Out here they are often a red or dark red, sometimes white or pale green. Yes they have reflective attributes but hi-viz colours they are not.
Why? Because it doesn't make a guaranteed difference for visibility of a moving object under all conditions. Actually hi-viz works under very particular conditions (ever play football (soccer) in the snow? or golf at night?), but is basically useless and just a fashion statement in all other conditions for moving objects. Pattern, and hence contrast, make a much more significant impact on visibility.

But back to topic, the POC helmet.

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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:13 am 
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"Oh, and Firetrucks and ambulances? Not all are Hi-Viz, actually.
Out here they are often a red or dark red, sometimes white or pale green. Yes they have reflective attributes but hi-viz colours they are not.Why? Because it doesn't make a guaranteed difference for visibility of a moving object under all conditions. Actually hi-viz works under very particular conditions (ever play football (soccer) in the snow? or golf at night?), but is basically useless and just a fashion statement in all other conditions for moving objects. Pattern, and hence contrast, make a much more significant impact on visibility."

Ok. Well, in case you missed the photo link to Predator blood, some of what I wrote was in jest, and I think you missed that.

I'm going to go with my experience and maintain that hi-viz yellow/green is as good as its name. Disagree if you want. And if you insist that all of the visibility value comes from contrast, then tell me how much neon green you see on your local roads. If it's a ton, move away from Chernobyl. Everywhere else, this color works.

Those Vini-sponsored Italian pro conti kits are visible from helicopter cameras solo or in a mass of moving riders, so I'm going to maintain that it works in motion, too.

Finally, I like the POC helmet, and my input on the subject is that they should have expanded the range of hi-visibility colors. Even POC claim that the colors they picked were selected for visibility, so they seem to disagree that color has no value. Fluo green/yellow is a natural for this application, and I hope it finds its way into their next model year.

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 Post subject: Re: POC road helmet
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:26 am 
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SpinnerTim wrote:
Those Vini-sponsored Italian pro conti kits are visible from helicopter cameras solo or in a mass of moving riders, so I'm going to maintain that it works in motion, too.


That's because the colour is simply a contrast to the others in what is perceptibly an 'object' with little relative motion. The helicopter is viewing one body, more or less together and more or less moving the same speed therefore relative motion to each other is negligible, and again contrast of color is visible. The viewer (you or camera shot) is also stationary relative to the objects in motion. If it was a quick pan shot and the camera was going one way and the peloton in the opposite direction, you'll notice that high-viz isn't any more perceptible than other colours or patterns which offer contrast. If you were specifically looking for high-viz knowing that that is what you'll be trying to prove, you're just falling into the confirmation bias scenario. If properly tested however your response to "what did you see?" would be fairly equal among anything that provided contrast. High-viz for cyclists is just fashion, sorry to burst your bubble, and appealing to false beliefs of how the human eye actually works. In selling you give people what they want, not necessarily what is actually correct. People want high-viz because they think it's safer? Sure, I'll sell that to you. You want a mirror on your helmet? I'll sell you one. You want a clock? I've got a famous clock to sell you too, it's in London and is often called "Ben."

Your example exemplifies confirmation bias, not actual science unfortunately. :)

When it comes to stationary objects, contrast if in form of a bright colour is visible. Sure. Which is why most 'stationary' or low-movement workers wear high-viz colours. The actual objects moving around? No need for high vis. The cones? Hi-viz. They aren't moving. Objects in motion which are not moving at an equal speed or significant relative speed to the viewer? Colour is not a signficant factor, and never will be, sorry. If it was you're going to need to contradict thousands of years of evolution across multiple species (not just humans) because it pertains to the way light is detected by the eye. Cones or rods, it doesn't matter: contrast makes the difference, not colour.

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