Cam, nothing has changed since the late 1990's. If you need evidence of that we can pull out a whole long list of those who have been busted. The only thing that has changed is the method in which doping takes places. Done much more carefully now, with new agents and masking agents. Don't fool yourself that things have changed significantly since then.

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"Marginal gains are the only gains when all that's left to gain is in the margins."

Agreed. Nothing much has changed since the turn of the last century.

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I noticed he hit some holes but didn't see the rear wheel until now - wow, it was like 15cm off the road.



He also said in the interview when asked about doping: "[I was hopefully able to show that] the sport has changed. We as a peloton are standing together against this, and we won't stand for it any longer". I guess I have to believe it. Certainly I want to.

Sorry, kind of random stream of thought from me...

Froome: I want to believe that he's as good as he demonstrated the last 3 weeks
Quintana: Wow, looking forward to seeing him in future grand tours
Schleck: Top 20, but 41+ minutes behind the maillot jaune? Jeez.
Cavendish: I'll wait for Renshaw in 2014 before I write him off as over the hill
Contador: I was not expecting that kind of collapse in the last mountain stage
Hushovd: I miss him in the tour
Tommy V: Extremely quiet; in perhaps 1 or 2 breaks, but failed to deliver like the in the past few years
Kittel: He's fast; I will break you
Greipel: He's fast, but I still don't like watching him sprint
Evans: Perhaps it's time to hang it up
TJ: No more white jersey next year, you have to play with the big boys now; I really want to like him...
Ferrari: I read somewhere that he was supposed to be good and be able to challenge Cav?
Cancellara: See Hushovd
Sagan: I like his style, but definitely the 4th fastest guy in the peloton; certain stages suit him well (see stages 1 & 3 from last year)
Valverde: Would have been interesting between him and Quintana had it not been for stage 13
Belkin GC guys (Mollema & Ten Dam): Where did they go in the last week?

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Time VXRS Ulteam (7.16 kg)
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What stage was that on? At what time?

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2012 BMC SLR 6.02kg http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=110390

Interesting...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lelangu ... al-reasons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Directeur sportif departs morning after the Tour de France

BMC Racing Team has announced that directeur sportif John Lelangue is leaving the squad effective immediately.

In a press release, it was said that Lelangue was departing "for personal reasons."

The announcement comes the morning after a disappointing Tour de France for BMC where Cadel Evans was the team's designated leader. The 2011 Tour de France winner finished 39th overall off the back of his third at the Giro d'Italia which was a shock last-minute addition to his schedule. Entering Evans in the Giro was said to be at the team's insistence. Fifth overall and winner of the youth classification in 2012, Tejay van Garderen also failed to live up to expectations in terms of the general classification but did manage to finish second on stage 18 to Alpe d'Huez.

Lelangue has been with BMC for the past six-and-a-half years.

"We respect John Lelangue's decision," President and General Manager Jim Ochowicz. "He will be pursuing other opportunities and challenges. We thank him for his contributions to the development of our team, and wish him the best in the future."

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"It's not the destination...it's the ride!"

They should have brought Hushovd to the Tour. But too many chiefs in BMC.

That's right, one more rider with zero form is precisely what would have saved the Tour for them...

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The Gram
The Men of Steel

Hushovd is the biggest whinger at BMC, and that is saying something given their roster.

I'd say a case of jumping before he was pushed...

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BMC should be more successfull , having so much money and good riders.
Evans and Van Garderen didn't appeared injured or sick, I don't see any reason why they didn't make the top ten.

Some teams (Sky, Quick step, Saxo, Sojasun) are able to make riders improve and perform at their best level and others teams are not (BMC, Cofidis, Euskaltel) or depend too much on their leaders (Europcar, Lotto,FDJ, Katusha, Astana, ...).

It has probably to do with management, training, strategy, technology, ...
Brailsford would succeed in any teams I think

I would be inclined to think that the issues with BMC are more to do with the riders racing and training regime's this year rather than their ability...so more down to a management issue.

Evans still did well in the Giro despite the late decision for him to ride and possibly Van Garderen also peaked too early by winning the TOC prior to the TDF...

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"It's not the destination...it's the ride!"

The problem here is you have no reason not to trust them other than personal prejudice based on being let down by an American.

There is more than enough information, transparency and data out there to enable you to let the personal hangups go and to enjoy the sport again. You just don't want to.

There's a whole generation of people who were foolish enough to be taken in once and who are now being overly protective of their emotions. That does not make them right.

He was.

Just doesn't chose to disclose it.

With the money Chelsea and Manchester City have they should have won the EPL title last season - but didn't. Money helps, no doubt. But is not a guarantee.



Could be one of the best posts I've seen on here in quite some time.

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The Gram
The Men of Steel

yea sometimes money is just outclassed by quality

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