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Ridley

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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:47 am

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xcfisher wrote:

you have to understand those are calculations on time up alp d'huez are theoretical. I cannot ride at that pace for over 30 minutes by any means. I do not race on the road, only mountain. If you have the SRM or even Powertap software I'd be happy to send you my power profiles if you don't believe me... I was just answering to the post. No need to get defensive... :roll:

I said I was a professional racer, not an amateur. The problem is your reading too much velonews and spending too much time on the internet searching for meaningless data. SHEER POWER alone is not what makes anybody a successful winner.

Ok, excuse me! But I rode 1hour en 35 minutes on 270 watts (with power at treshold 250watts), so I thought you could do that too

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AMclassic-fan

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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:57 pm

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Ridley wrote:

Ok, excuse me! But I rode 1hour en 35 minutes on 270 watts (with power at treshold 250watts), so I thought you could do that too

That is almost impossible. You had a powertap or a SRM? Or did you calculate the power?

In January I had 292 watt at MLSS. I am 17 and 63 kg. I think/hope it is now something like 320-330 watt.

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hucklesby

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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:00 pm

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Location: cambridgeshire, u.k

i also recommend ned overends "mountain bike like a champion". this has gave me advice that i feel has really helped from training to race day tactics.

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John979

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:44 am

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See my point. Let's be specific -- me. MAP: 435 watts; 4 min power: 412 watts; 20 minute power: 332 watts; 40 minute power: 327 watts; 60 minute power: 319 watts.

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John979

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:27 pm

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Per Dr. Lim:

Time Absolute Watts Watts/Kg
1 to 2 sec 1250 +/- 300 12.0 - 25
4 to 8 min 450 +/- 50 6.0 - 6.5
20 to 40 min 400 +/- 50 5.5 - 6.0
1 to 2 hours 325 +/- 50 5.0 - 5.5
2 to 4 hours 225 +/- 50 3.0 - 4.0

Highest every verified 60 minute power: 509 watts, by Indurain when he set the hour record. His 5 minute power during testing was 572 watts. Keep in mind Indurain is larger than most...

Lance Armstrong on Alpe d'Huez was estiamted to produce 6.38 Watts/Kg, Ullrich 6.12 Watts/Kg

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big fellow

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:56 am

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spot on John, the paper which was published profiling Indurain was fascinating, he was definitely a freak

w/kg is the only way you can compare, otherwise it's apples and oranges

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redbiker

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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:44 am

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spot on John, the paper which was published profiling Indurain was fascinating, he was definitely a freak

Do you know where I can get a copy of that paper? I'd love to read it.

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big fellow

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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:03 pm

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@ redbiker

pm me - I have a copy of this paper...

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John979

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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:13 pm

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I love the way the paper talks about Indurain without mentioning him by name. Keep in mind when looking at the numbers, how can I say this delicately with all due respects to one of my cycling idols, that this record was not set without some sort of hematocrit manipulation (hypobaric, I hope) and additional medical supervision to assure he was 100% physically ready.

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twistyaction usa

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:52 am

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So what was Indurain's Watts/Kg. for his hour record?

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John979

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:44 pm

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Here you go:

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John979

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:46 pm

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If you click on the image, it enlarges. There is something quite evident about the last three...

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curlymcbird

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:18 am

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350wts at threshhold, measured last week using a powertap, im 16

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AMclassic-fan

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:15 pm

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@curlymcbird
That is not a very accurate. You probably used your heartrate to see when you are on TH and then you looked how much watts you was producing. But your heartrate is not everyday the same.

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John979

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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:33 pm

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AMclassic-fan wrote:

@curlymcbird
That is not a very accurate. You probably used your heartrate to see when you are on TH and then you looked how much watts you was producing. But your heartrate is not everyday the same.

This is why power is always quoted with a duration: x watts for y time. 300 watts (average) for 60 minutes. BTW, at 16 LA could not average 350 watts for an hour...

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