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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:32 pm 
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Definitely true^ I think the problem lies when people way overeat it, which it is easy to do, and then skimp on calories that provide energy.

Another point that is helpful to bring up is that saying arbitrarily that you need to hit a certain weight to be fast doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense. What you should focus more on is increasing power while decreasing bodyfat percentage unless you are riding pro level races with long 20-60min climbs. Cyclists can get very warped idea of size and weight. Sure, the climber types are definitely very thin, but a lot of really successful pro tour riders aren't actually as thin or as light as you'd think in person. Jumping down to the domestic level neither are a lot of those guys, however, a lot of them are really lean. Although he was on drugs, Lance is a great example as he was definitely heavier for his height some of the years that he won the Tour.

Its easy to become obsessed with the scale because it gives you a hard and fast number that you can comprehend, but in the end it could be a losing battle. I know that during a hard training block my weight can swing 4 lbs in just a day depending on water retention, glycogen levels, and even a bit of bloating after a really big ride on a hard day. A better solution has been to get a DEXA scan a few times a year to assess overall muscle and bodyfat levels. A scale can really prevent one from adopting healthy eating habits because it can also push them to keep pursuing drastic strategies when its not going down. I have a very good friend that is a high level domestic racer that goes through this every year. He tries to get below 155lbs, does one weird diet after another (no solid foods after a ride, 2,000cal deficits etc.), ends up not fulfilling his riding potential, then hits the off-season and stops dieting and his weight jumps back up to 165-170. He is already lean as hell and none of his races need him to weigh less, but he chases these numbers as if they're the key to success. I did for years as well and it definitely hurt more than it helped.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:43 pm 
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This above post by KWalker should be made sticky on top of the thread.
Diet should only ever serve as a means to support the training (and facilitate better training), not an end in itself.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:17 pm 
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I too have chased weight with subpar results. It just isn't worth the decreased energy levels and unless you have a very high bodyfat %, you will probably lose a lot of strength with your weight. I find that if I eat when I'm hungry, stop when I'm full, and stick to a wholesome diet (minimal processed carbs, lean proteins, whole grains, veggies, etc.), my weight hovers slightly over what I'd consider "skinny bike racer", but I tend to be a lot stronger on the bike.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:58 pm 
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Too much, 202lbs.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:50 am 
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A year gone by, I shall quote myself... quoting myself.
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...Paradoxically, some cyclists don't eat enough to lose weight. They skimp on calories (and consequently nutrients) which means recovery is compromised and they can't train as hard. And because they don't train as hard they don't lose as much weight, so they eat less...

When you're training properly its a case of struggling to get the calories in. Prolonged, consistent training and diet can bring about the loss of muscle without much or any lose in power. But for most of us its not an immediately obtainable goal. Also not overlooking genetics. Some just won't have those ultra-dense fibres. That's is not to say improvement cannot be made but the "pro" look may not be there...


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If your power to weight ratio is less than 5 w/kgs then eat more, train harder and stop obsessing about inconsequential matters. Performance will lead to low body fat, not the other way round.

Diet should be done smart.

But here's a question. Are you training harder (quality) and eating "right" and seeing a significant rise in FTP and a reduction in body fat levels?

if not then answer could be to eat more.

I have seen plenty of cyclists get caught in the "losing weight paradox". They try to lose weight so they eat less, they can't train as hard, recover poorly, don't lose much weight, so they eat less, can't train as hard etc...

Then when they've killed their FTP they give up, eat "normal" and weight stacks on.

I prefer the path of train hard, eat well, recover, train harder, eat well etc. There maybe some net weight/fat gain. But I promise you someone with a 350watt FTP will lose weight easier than a 250watt FTP. Additional someone who has done the work to get to 350watts probably would have shed a bit on the way. Performance first and foremost.

If you get to 350watts and have a 20% body fat then yes, a bit of cutting will make you even better. Anything else is poser wankery. Like I said, if yall are worried about BF levels before you've got a decent engine you're all backwards...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:05 am 
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Conversely, if everyone kept this in mind I'm certain racing would be a lot harder.

So I will extol the virtues of calorie deficits and over eating a given macronutrient.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:38 pm 
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For the first 5 months of the season i ate 3 cookies everyday. I kinda made my lunch probably smaller to make room for those cookie calories, but it made me happy. Some days admittedly i felt a little weak at the knees, but 99% of the days i think i trained decently and was able to make some gainzzzzz. i raced early season 10 lbs lighter than what i raced at last season....and there were days i felt angelic climbing. I think seeing an all time weight low, got me nervous when i was racing later in the season and zomg i weighed 6 lbs more, but i think i still had fun and did well. So that was a good reminder weight doesn't make or break a race.

since the end of RR season, i told myself i wont step on the scale til next year after 2015 training has started lolol. I got sick of those 3 cookies (madelines), and now im doing donuts with icecream for dessert instead.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:46 pm 
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drainyoo wrote:
35 years
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208lb/94kg

Trying to burn off the daddy fat and get down to 190lb.


I'm down to 200lbs/90kg. Getting there, slowly.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:05 am 
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Excellent news.
Around these parts, a packet of butter is 250g. Maybe where you are it's an 8oz packet?
Remember, butter is very similar to adipose tissue in colour and form.
Next time you are at the supermarket, just stack up sixteen packets of butter and puff out your chest a little.

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44 years, 1.85cm and 78-82 kg :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:36 pm 
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I am 6ft1 39 and was 82-83kg until the beginging of august and have been that weight for a long time, a stable so fine. Then I cut out alot of the cake biscuits e.t.c that I was eating (kind of worried that I am not getting younger and I should be more senisble) and just ate more veg, fruit and well food really. I am now 77kg I have not straved myself just rode alot (you can't do 180 mile rides by starving yourself) and ate properly without stuffing my face full of cake which was the norm. Energy levels have never been higher. Weight loss was not the goal I suppose to be a healthy weight all you need to do is eat the right stuff and ride a bit or alot. Starving yourself is self defeating you only put it on later. Do the former and you will be a healthy weight. Right now I am training harder than I have all year and I am seeing some gains but I can't quantify easily I don't have a power meter. All I can say is the time it takes me to my training hills is coming down now.

So eating lots and riding lots does work, I'd be worried if I lost more weight and would eat some cake to correct the problem.

My diet consists of pasta, rice/curry (homemade by my lovely wife), salads and one a week a chippie meal. This week has not been a good diet it has slipped. I don't do supplements never have and never will (as you find those supplement in well food). Training is - tuesday 17 -35 miles of fast riding, wedneday 20 mile gentle spin, Friday morning 17 mile fast ride, saturday morning a fast ride sometimes and sunday is either a race/getting dropped or training ride currently 80 odd miles. The getting dropped bit is mostly down to not training enough and being generally crap at racing.

I think if you over analyse what you eat the joy in food disapears. We all know what foods are good to eat they are well food shaped and generally not over processed/refined i.e. rice, pasta, fish, chicken, veg, fruit, cerals, milk, eggs you know food. Just eat your fill and enjoy it as your body does need fuel, then ride or the other way around maybe.

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