How to get faster

A light bike doesn't replace good fitness.

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TonyM
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by TonyM

Get a narrower handlebar

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oraclesin
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by oraclesin

i think.. First, strengthen your leg by weight training and lose weight. it's going to get faster

waltthizzney
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by waltthizzney

ride with people faster than you, the only way to really see what your limits are

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by mvnsnd

You can get faster by riding more and with some structure. The proven method is intervals. What you want to target is both boosting your FTP and your ability to recover from hard efforts. Riding with a fast group will give you the chance to put an effort in on the front and then recover on the back.

If you have an indoor trainer, there are many ways to do intervals indoors and many of them can also be done outside providing its safe. As an example of some training sessions, have a look at the Zwift training sessions here: https://whatsonzwift.com/workouts/

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by AJS914

Riding with a fast group will give you the chance to put an effort in on the front and then recover on the back.


Or, the group is so fast that you are hanging on for dear life at the back. :-) At least you are getting a great threshold or VO2 max interval!

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I optimize my training with structured intervals.
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by wheelbuilder

waltthizzney wrote:ride with people faster than you, the only way to really see what your limits are


This. Aero helmets, shoe covers, wheels, none of that is "getting faster". Google your local area for Clubs that have fast training rides, or better yet Racing-focused clubs. Join them on a training ride. I guarantee you will get faster.

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by dmulligan

Structured interval training with power. First I read Charmichael's Time Crunched Cyclist. I was sold in the idea of training with power but couldn't justify a power meter then found Trainerroad had this new feature (at the time) called virtual power. I made my, so far, biggest improvements that first winter.
I recommend subscribing to Trainerroad and starting a Sweet Spot Base plan while you do the research to figure out what you want to do longer term. That plan is a great starting point to get you used to structured interval training and Trainerroad is a per month subscription so it won't cost you much while you decide.

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by Rubik

wheelbuilder wrote:
waltthizzney wrote:ride with people faster than you, the only way to really see what your limits are


This. Aero helmets, shoe covers, wheels, none of that is "getting faster". Google your local area for Clubs that have fast training rides, or better yet Racing-focused clubs. Join them on a training ride. I guarantee you will get faster.



Except it is getting faster. It will have a more significant impact on your speed than your fitness will, and it's quite a bit easier to achieve, especially position, tubes/tires, clothing and helmet.

In any case, it's not an either/or situation, it's a "both" situation. Even the strongest dudes on group rides will be giving up .5 mph+ if they're rolling around with gatorskins and jerseys a size too big.
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waltthizzney
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Rubik wrote:
wheelbuilder wrote:
waltthizzney wrote:ride with people faster than you, the only way to really see what your limits are


This. Aero helmets, shoe covers, wheels, none of that is "getting faster". Google your local area for Clubs that have fast training rides, or better yet Racing-focused clubs. Join them on a training ride. I guarantee you will get faster.



Except it is getting faster. It will have a more significant impact on your speed than your fitness will, and it's quite a bit easier to achieve, especially position, tubes/tires, clothing and helmet.

In any case, it's not an either/or situation, it's a "both" situation. Even the strongest dudes on group rides will be giving up .5 mph+ if they're rolling around with gatorskins and jerseys a size too big.


lol you are comparing the most marginal of gains to having the right mentality towards training maximizing your physical potential and athletics in general.

Why is it that in general, the nicer the bike, the slower the rider, you are clueless. This is what separates actual athletes from people like you.

Rubik
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by Rubik

waltthizzney wrote:
lol you are comparing the most marginal of gains to having the right mentality towards training maximizing your physical potential and athletics in general.

Why is it that in general, the nicer the bike, the slower the rider, you are clueless. This is what separates actual athletes from people like you.


Marginal gains come from cable routing and skewer placement. These are very real, very tangible gains.

What's an actual athlete?

I'm a Cat 1...not sure if that would qualify...
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by misterq

skewer placement?

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by wheelbuilder

Rubik wrote:
wheelbuilder wrote:
waltthizzney wrote:ride with people faster than you, the only way to really see what your limits are


This. Aero helmets, shoe covers, wheels, none of that is "getting faster". Google your local area for Clubs that have fast training rides, or better yet Racing-focused clubs. Join them on a training ride. I guarantee you will get faster.



Except it is getting faster. It will have a more significant impact on your speed than your fitness will, and it's quite a bit easier to achieve, especially position, tubes/tires, clothing and helmet.

In any case, it's not an either/or situation, it's a "both" situation. Even the strongest dudes on group rides will be giving up .5 mph+ if they're rolling around with gatorskins and jerseys a size too big.


I'm going to agree with you here. Skin tight jerseys, fast tires, good body position and aero helmet, will without a doubt gain some watts/speed. I was disagreeing with the notion of trying to buy stuff to take the place of fitness and putting in the work. You may not have been advocating this. I'm with Tobin on this though. Training, training, and more training, preferably with a large "no wait" group that is focused on performance and high average speed will get you strong.

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by MarkTwain

Rubik wrote:
waltthizzney wrote:
lol you are comparing the most marginal of gains to having the right mentality towards training maximizing your physical potential and athletics in general.

Why is it that in general, the nicer the bike, the slower the rider, you are clueless. This is what separates actual athletes from people like you.


Marginal gains come from cable routing and skewer placement. These are very real, very tangible gains.

What's an actual athlete?

I'm a Cat 1...not sure if that would qualify...

Yep, we got it. Noted the very modest signature making this point all the more clear.

Rubik
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by Rubik

misterq wrote:skewer placement?


:mrgreen:

I mean, I've seen guys with skewers pointed straight up and straight down... drag is drag!
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