Help me choose my next trainer under $800
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So I've been eying a smart trainer for a while and I'm leaving for either the tacx flux or the genius smart. One is a direct drive and the other a classic, the price can overlap sometimes, but the genius is usually cheaper. On paper I'm torn on one hand I the genius is able to replicate a 20% incline vs 10% for the neo plus I believe the genius has a steering simulator unit ( I don't know if it is sold separately). The flux on the other hand is a direct drive which is touted as better (no tire slip) but it's limited to 10% inclines. What else would you guys recommend in these price bracket and below?
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Incline is an over rated point of measurement. Watts = watts when pedaling, total resistance and reliability are more important. Direct drive every time for me, more stable and repeatable results, quiter and no tyre slip.
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I wanted a Smart trainer but I just didn't want to spend big bucks on something I'd ride at my the most 50 or 60 times this winter.
I found a Tacx Vortex Smart for $330 shipped. So far, I'm really happy with the price/performance.
I found a Tacx Vortex Smart for $330 shipped. So far, I'm really happy with the price/performance.
Nefarious86 wrote:Incline is an over rated point of measurement. Watts = watts when pedaling, total resistance and reliability are more important. Direct drive every time for me, more stable and repeatable results, quiter and no tyre slip.
Second this. I'm putting more time in on my trainer now and getting better workouts than I ever thought possible - all due to buying a Kickr on sale and hooking up TrainerRoad. It was worth the extra bucks for me.. If you can get a Flux I'm sure you'd have a similar experience.
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If the Flux is more budget friendly than a Neo/Kickr then get on it. Get a casette and a Trainer road subscription with a nice big fan (essential) then suffer away
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Whie the Flux is mechanically similar to the Wahoo Kickr, from reading DCR's recent review, the Flux is a price leader that none of the competitors can touch. Having progressively migrated over the past 20 years from the original Tacx Fortius, then wireless Bushido, and now the Neo, I would offer that direct drive is a msignificant improvement with far less headaches compared to the rear wheel friction trainers.
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This is making me contemplate going for the genius instead.
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ms6073 wrote:Whie the Flux is mechanically similar to the Wahoo Kickr, from reading DCR's recent review, the Flux is a price leader that none of the competitors can touch. Having progressively migrated over the past 20 years from the original Tacx Fortius, then wireless Bushido, and now the Neo, I would offer that direct drive is a msignificant improvement with far less headaches compared to the rear wheel friction trainers.
Less headaches maybe in regards to tires wearing and slipping, but direct drives have more parts to wear out.
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About 2 years beating on my kickr, taking it everywhere, running or off batteries, lending it to mates etc, have tensioned the belt once.... Fear of maintenance is probably the least logical reasoning to not buy a direct drive unit...
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Maybe for you, but it would be for me. For $1200, I better be. I like to plan ahead for things unforeseen. Kickrs can eat belts if adjusting the tension too much and Wahoo will gladly overcharge 4 times the cost for the $20 belt. They don't last forever. There's at least 5 sets of bearings in the thing and if I was going to have a it around for 5-10yrs or so, I would have spares or a source readily available.
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So don't be a naff when adjusting the tension, buy the $20 belts and stock up some bearings. Simples.
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Ok here is the breakdown
I would be going over my budget with the drivo
I would get from a German store for $1000 including shipping
The flux would be about $790 bought locally well an online store with brick and mortar locations.
Elite
Higher accuracy ( not that important as I have a power meter quark and srm)
24% incline simulation over kill but nice
Flux
Cheaper and more readily available
Only 10% simulation which is a bummer I would have loved something like 15%
Reliability might be less reliable
( on the other hand whatever warranty claim I have I can always return it locally.
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I would be going over my budget with the drivo
I would get from a German store for $1000 including shipping
The flux would be about $790 bought locally well an online store with brick and mortar locations.
Elite
Higher accuracy ( not that important as I have a power meter quark and srm)
24% incline simulation over kill but nice
Flux
Cheaper and more readily available
Only 10% simulation which is a bummer I would have loved something like 15%
Reliability might be less reliable
( on the other hand whatever warranty claim I have I can always return it locally.
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I'd say forget about the gradient simulation factor, its the total watts the Unit can hold that matters, if it can't produce enough load at the 10% grade setting using the 53-11 then there is something wrong. All that 10% means is that you will use a bigger gear to simulate the load of a 15% hill. Personally I've never used the incline function. It's either Erg workout or level mode for tooling about.
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