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 Post subject: Live high, Train low
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:43 pm 
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Hi ww fellows :)

Since I am living at about 125mt high :? I am planning to buy something like this http://altitudetraining.com/main/products/product/cat150

Do any of you know about its benefits? Any feedback?

thanks :)


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i had a hypoxico tent for a while. The main problem is that is is VERY loud. Plan on having the generator as far away as possible, in a different room. If you do get a tent, allow yourself at least 6-8 weeks before and event to acclimate, otherwise you can guarantee that you will have sub par performances. You might also consider getting your hematocrit tested before you start using the tent and then afterwards just to see how your red blood cell count has changed and to make sure you don't become anemic. Good luck!


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Any hard data regarding hematocrit before and after along with MAP, ramp or other power testing?

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are you asking me?


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What we really need is Michael Jackson to be a forum member to give a detailed feedback... :wink:

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520 Dan wrote:
are you asking me?


Yes, or anyone experienced wigth hypoxic training.

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How much do those sort of things cost just out of interest?


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my hematocrit changed about 4%. I was running exclusively (for competitions that is) at the time, so I can't comment on Watts change. I would imagine that it would have increased several percentage points, which at a certain level is HUGE. I did notice at first, it took me longer to recover from hard efforts, but as my body adapted to the tent, it took far less time to recover. OVerall i felt like it was a good investment. I bought my tent, used it for about 6 months, had pretty large performance gains, and then because of changing financial situations and training environments, I sold it for almost as much as I paid for it. Here is the key; you had better be single and flexible, or have the best partner in the world. The tents are hot, loud, unromantic (hint hint, although one time...) and somewhat of a pain in the ass. They do what they say however, but for a price. Cycling wise, I'd contact Shaun at Hypoxico. He is a former Olympic cyclist on the track that used VERY early versions of the tents to great success (see olympics).


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520 Dan wrote:
my hematocrit changed about 4%. I was running exclusively (for competitions that is) at the time, so I can't comment on Watts change. I would imagine that it would have increased several percentage points, which at a certain level is HUGE. I did notice at first, it took me longer to recover from hard efforts, but as my body adapted to the tent, it took far less time to recover. OVerall i felt like it was a good investment.


Thanks. I assume you mean your hematocrit increased 4 percentage points, i.e. 42% to 46%, not an absolute 4%, which implies a hematocrit increase of onl 1.6 percentage points.

I have not yet come across a study that states X hematocrit increase results in a y power increase, but there appears to be at least a 1-1 relationship.

How much is thos one? Jan Ullrich had a room built into his house that cost 20,000 Euros...

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Read this, very interesting:

http://altitudetraining.com/main/compan ... 1234567898

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Interesting, indeed. There are several local American football players that live and train in Denver (at 1,700 meters) that do just the opposite. They sleep in small hyperbaric chambers simulating a drop in altitude of up to 1,000m to speed recovery from hard games or injuries since wounds and bruising takes longer to heal at altitude.

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Interesting, indeed. There are several local American football players that live and train in Denver (at 1,700 meters) that do just the opposite. They sleep in small hyperbaric chambers simulating a drop in altitude of up to 1,000m to speed recovery from hard games or injuries since wounds and bruising takes longer to heal at altitude.


It didn't help them against the Giants :D

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Yeah, but 9 and 2 isn't a bad place to be sittin' either. :wink:

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Yeah, but 9 and 2 isn't a bad place to be sittin' either. :wink:


How does air density affect place kicking?

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magnus wrote:
How much do those sort of things cost just out of interest?


Some friend told me he saw one last year for 4k sterling. wow. I will decide if I am going to buy it or not after a few races :D just to see if it is worth


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