Michelin Pro 4's vs Conti 4000S ?

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davidalone
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by davidalone

Tinea Pedis wrote:crr isn't the whole picture, as this blog demonstrates

http://bikeblather.blogspot.fr/2014/07/ ... -town.html

tl;dr the 4000s isn't close to the 320TPI tyres in rolling resistance. But makes up a lot with its aero profile.


I'll even hold back from an equally snide reply related to riding before you write ;)



if you hang out on slowtwitch alot... you'll also find that Tom A. and others have pretty much determined that the aero properties of the GP4000 go out the window pretty quickly once they start to wear. Plus, the gp4000 needs to be matched well to your wheels... which not all are.

in the end, it's a 'system' . you want the lowest combination of aero properties and Crr. a low Crr can make up for alot of aero sins, as Tom A has said... so I would honestly go with the lowest Crr you can find ( with an acceptable level of puncture resistance you're comfortable with....). the aero poperties of the gp4000 are good to have but are probably not that much of a big deal.

some of the standout tyres IMO are:
schwalbe ironman
specialized turbo cotton
zipp tangente speed ( new model)
Vitorria corsa and coti supersonics ( if you have good roads)
conti GP force/attacks and GP 4000s

any o the above will, really give you pretty good performance.

NGMN
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by NGMN

Its my understanding that the attack quickly loses its aero edge, but that the gp4000s holds its advantage a bit longer. Still not anywhere near the useful life of the tire but the attack is something like 400km according to joshatzipp(now Silca).

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by dunbar42

kgt wrote:As for how it rides, the casing is more supple the thinner the threads are (assuming they’re not stuck too tightly together). It more easily absorbs small inconsistencies in the riding surface, and this reduces the rolling resistance and increases the grip by increasing the amount of contact between the tire and the riding surface."


Ya, let's compare durable training tires to fragile race day tires that last a fraction of the miles and puncture much more easily. I hope your team car follows you around if you're going to train on tubulars.

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by rnarito

Sounds like most everyone else's experience is the same as mine, Pro4's roll smoother than Conti 4000's, but don't last nearly as long and tend to puncture more often. I hate changing flats and swapping out worn out tires. I'll take the rougher ride and longer wearing Conti's any day!

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by kgt

dunbar42
Puncture resistance has little to do with train vs race tires. Veloflex is a nice example of top quality, light and durable tire that may last for thousands of kms.

zander
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by zander

I have been on Conti 4000S about 4000km. I have had no flat. I think tires have still some kilometers to go but I want something different to test. I have planned to buy Vittoria Open Corsa CX or Veloflex Corsa. I just can't decide :) It seems that not so many shops are selling Veloflex.

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by sawyer

davidalone wrote:
Tinea Pedis wrote:crr isn't the whole picture, as this blog demonstrates

http://bikeblather.blogspot.fr/2014/07/ ... -town.html

tl;dr the 4000s isn't close to the 320TPI tyres in rolling resistance. But makes up a lot with its aero profile.


I'll even hold back from an equally snide reply related to riding before you write ;)



if you hang out on slowtwitch alot... you'll also find that Tom A. and others have pretty much determined that the aero properties of the GP4000 go out the window pretty quickly once they start to wear. Plus, the gp4000 needs to be matched well to your wheels... which not all are.

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Note that only the rear Conti squares off dramatically and the rear is much less significant for aerodynamics

I've used most of the tyres mentioned on this thread and can't feel al that big a difference in ride quality between a 23c GP 4000 S/SII and a 23c Vittoria (which runs a bit wider). A bit but not huge. Smaller than any 23mm > 25mm difference in a particular tyre line.

On tubs (Comps vs Corsa/SCs) it does feel a bit more different, though some of that will be down to the narrower size of Conti Comps(22mm)
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by User Name

When did the 4000S 2 come out? Crikey, I'm WAY behind

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by upside

About a year ago.

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by User Name

Thanks. Yikes, I'm way off. :thumbup: :mrgreen:
Do they feel better?

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by sawyer

They feel better for the Conti Product Director

For customers not on the kool-aid they feel the same
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ha. Thanks

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