Didn't you know that already? I would say that 13 speed is in SRAM's future

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In Germany and the Netherlands Sram REd is cheaper then campa SR.

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To me this is all good news - take the bits you like / can afford, keep using what you have for the rest. How can that be bad?

So I'm thinking for me, I'd like to use the FD (not concerned about the existing shifters not working because of trim, I reckon we can work around that but maybe the pull ratio could be a problem, will wait and see), the cranks but ditch the new rings for my existing TA Hegoa's or maybe Fibre-lyte (so as to get the weight loss but without the unreliability of the existing crop of light weight cranks), and maybe try the new cassette once I need one - I've never had too much trouble with my existing Red cassette being noisy, but would be nice to see how much quieter the new one is.


Sorry OT for a sec: I'm usually a big fan of DJ's posts (read with awe and bow to his scientific knowledge) but don't agree with his comment about Red cassettes for race day only:

Quote: "I agree: a Red-level cassette is race-day, in my view, although Recon also does nicely for that purpose and is lighter and cheaper. But I see a lot of riders tooling around on Red cassettes."

The Red cassette is one of the most durable out there - at 18,000km (rotate 3 chains 3x each for 3k) for $220 I don't see why that's expensive.

Cheers

GJ

I think that's the case almost everywhere when you look at real world prices, not MSRP.

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I think it is awesome news that the new quarq calculates power independent of chain ring choice without needing to be recalibrated, wonder if my q rings will be able to fit? Also wondering about the new FD and ovalized chain rings, it will be interesting. Not really sure what I think yet.

I'm too lazy and disorganized to rotate chains, I suppose. I like getting on my bike and just riding it until things go wrong, cleaning and lubing it occasionally. Easier to just use 1050-1070 cassettes.

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i thought that was only in russia...

Direct quote from the article: "It's still not quite on par with Shimano Dura-Ace and its brilliant hollow outer chainring advantage but it's not too far off the mark – and if anything, Red now seems poised to give Campagnolo's mechanical front shifting a run for its money."

As I said, this is in regards to front shifting. Rear shifting and lever action, to me, depends on rider preference and the mechanical prowess of the installer. My personal preference is DA over Red, but I acknowledge that Red's rear shifting is quite good despite how many warranty issues I've seen with broken derailleur springs and broken pulley cages (quite common actually, not sure how).

You're comparing discounted prices of an existing group to prices of a brand new group which isn't even out yet.

If you're looking for a comparison, current SR is certainly more expensive than current RED.

New red will come down in price just like everything else does. You couldn't buy a SR group when it first came out for 2200$.

Utterly pointless thing to point out I know, but- you can get a "3 piece" Sram Red group in the UK for £530.

What I wonder is how much Red 2012 is going to be for that same shifters'n'mechs group when it arrives here.

Nobody wants current RED that is why it is for free

Very true.

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Pre-orders now being taken, £2,000 for the full groupset: http://www.fudgescyclestore.com/index.php?p=11433

WOW 999 pounds for '11 and 2000 pounds for the new one! WTF!