And after all these discussions, people still think: Dogma Rip offs = all Chinese carbon frames (you can get on ebay).
This is really sad.
Ultimobici, let's not focus on the cost but more on the product. It's like a restaurant owner saves cost by cutting the dish washing staff so dishes are not thoroughly cleaned. The cost difference is small (say $0.2 per dish) but having the previous customer's spit in your mouthis huge. Running a tight QC system may not cost THAT much (let's say $30 per frame, just a random guess) but the end result is huge.
Another thing is, many people on ww seem to be accomplished engineers or tech-types, but they refuse to understand or accept the fact that the commercial world works in certain ways. Advertisement and sponsorships simply work. Without Tour champs riding Pinarello's across lines and without the extravagant Eurobike/Interbike showcases, Pinarello could very well be some obscure little brand nobody wants to knock off, and probably sells 500 frames a year instead of 300,000. We are all affected by it, and no body can escape. We would all like to think we are the pure meritocrats who get the objectively best bike free of gimmicks and hype. But we can't escape hype... Anyone care to show Cervelo's R&D budget v. marketing budget each year (including sponsorships, shows, etc.)? I bet if Pinarello were to cut the Dogma's price by 50%, they'd be losing money on this model (even though there appears to be an abscene profit if you compare with the OEM price). Too many things need to be done and they cost money. Whoever these guys choose to knock off, will certainly have spent huge amounts to sponsor pro teams, etc.
Sorry enough heavy duty stuff for one post. Carry on...
Topic has been discussed at length over hundreds of pages of RBR forums. I am not going to try to win anyone over here but I think if these frames were 'murdering' people at a frequency greater than branded bikes we would be hearing about them. Sure it's cheesy buying a fake pina but personally I find it very irritating when I read fear mongering of failure based on speculation and stereotyping. And really do you think people are going to jail for buying 'counterfeit' bicycles? Only in America
as they say...http://forums.roadbikereview.com/bikes-frames-forks/chinese-carbon-thread-ebay-direct-version-5-0-a-241785.html
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