I've always been interested in the discussion of Lightweight vs. ADA, and I have always thought that ADA were better overall but were at least $1000 more expensive. Just by looking at the specs for the two different wheelsets one could conclude that ADA are better ( www.ada.prorider.org
for ada, www.lightweightwheels.com
(maintained by rbs bikes, www.rbsbikes.co.uk
) for an effective overview of lightweight). ADA's appear lighter by a considerable amount, maybe stiffer according to ADA's claims, and Cees Beers says that he tested the round spokes vs. Lightweight's bladed and said that the round ones came out better ("Speaking of spokes...I'm often asked about the aerodynamic benefits of my round, kevlar-wrapped, carbon-fiber spokes. Initially I used flat spokes, thinking they were more aerodynamic, but our testing showed otherwise. " from http://www.ada.prorider.org/athens.htm
). And as far as this whole thing about what is the original, 1. WHO CARES, WHAT IS THE BEST IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT and 2. I've heard from several places, most notably velonews 2002 tour tech section (right now velonew's site isnt working so I cant give a direct link), that Cees Beers was in a joint venture with Dierl and Obermayer, but D+O refused to change the design when Beers thought they were unsafe, so Beers split from them and now D+O are claiming theyre the original and Beers is just a worse copy when in fact it may be that D+O's version is just the predecessor to Beer's. The only link I can find to this right now is http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/ ... bolts.html
, at the bottom, but ive heard this from other places. And Cees Beers also claims that Lance Armstrong came to him first and asked him for a pair of wheels for free, but Beers refused and so Lance went to D+O and they gave him a free pair. Oh and for that german tour magazine and their stiffness, after reading over the translation, I must say, it looks very (very, very) biased...they use some old media tricks in there that I know of to make the lightweight wheels look even better than they make them out to be (38nm rear 56nm front for ada stiffness as opposed to 71nm front 56nm rear lightweight stiffness, placing the lower # first makes the wheels look worse, thats the only example I can think of off the top of my head, I saw others). Plus, I mean its a german magazine, lightwieght wheels are german, homeland pride, happens in the USA with US bikes, I'm sure it can happen in Germany. Plus, this is the same magazine that claims that Lightweight wheels were the most aerodynamic in their testing, when John Cobb (has been Lance Armstrong's personal wind tunnel tester) tested them several times and concluded that Lightwieghts and ADA's were not much more aero than regular wheels (I think the exact drag amount was 0.376 lbs avg over a rangle of angles from 0 to 30 degrees, and 32 hole wheels were 0.405, for comparision, a zipp 404 was 0.191 and mavic cosmic carbones were similar to the zipps). I may sound awfully ADA-biased here, but mainly thats to counteract all this ADA-bashing I hear that may have no basis other than its what people hear. I really want to know the real story. From what I read of actual specs, it looks like ADA are better although more expensive. But what about someone (NOT tour magazine) thats actually ridden both? Anyone have actual riding experiences? And I'm sure this is whole thing is very poorly written and I apologize...its 4 in the morning and I'm probably typing like an idiot and I don't feel like revising. So, how bout those wheels?