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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:07 am 
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I don't think that Holland still makes the unit that Madcow is referring to. They used to have a large floor-mounted truing stand that uses foot action to make large adjustments but basically looks like truing stand that wants to look like Madcow.


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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:44 am 
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crashracer,

Who makes that one?

thank madcow for for identifying the p&k lie truing stand

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:51 am 
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Think this would serve anyones needs...

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:40 am 
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The bike center I owrk for employs the best wheel builder in the region, who made well over 10.000 wheels in his career, his masterpieces were ridden at the olympics, world championships. He has never used a ready-made truing stand: he trues the wheels in two modified MTB forks, one for the front, one for the rear. If you're interested, I can post a picture... :-)


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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:57 am 
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StuTheWeak wrote:
I would agree it's pretty, but I don't think it would be more accurate than a Park. Still think my German (Centrimaster) stand will make wheels that are a piece of art.



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Never a truer word said...
As for starting with an old 20h radial.....dunno about coffee and biscuits; i think it'll be taco's for tea :wink:
start easy- 32h with new stuff.
As for them stands with DTI's etc- think i'll stick with my minoura set that cost £75. Its probably cost me less than a quid a wheel...

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:36 pm 
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My first goal is to build a wheel with as close to equal tension as possible while maintaining tight tolerances. Meaning small deviations in and about the -X- and -Y- axises. I'm shooting for deviations of X (trueness) =< 0.5mm and Y (roundness) =< 1.0mm.

Working on a 20h front would, in my humble opinion, be a great start to learning the ins and outs. Not planning on riding the wheel so much as learning from it.

My second goal is to eat as many biscuits and preserves as my stomach can manage while washing them down with gourmet coffee...

Third goal would be to take my precious time...seems rushing things will get me into trouble from all that I've read.

Fourth...stress relieve the wheel repeatedly and re-tweaking. Repeating this process till I cannot compromise the wheel's integrity with reasonable stress.

In the end I want to build wheels I'd have no reservation in giving to my children for riding centuries in downtown Baghdad.

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:38 pm 
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You are mighty confident, good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:03 pm 
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My truing stand is shipping today...they wrote...

Hello Stu....,

today we ship your goods by DHL.
The tracking No. is

########

We wich an successful job with Centrimaster
wheel truing stand.

Best regards Wilhelm Schon,

Centrimaster UG


Those crazy Germans' english sucks, but they sure do build great sh!t :thumbup:

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:33 pm 
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1) God uses a Holland Mechanics (the old dinosaur stand I can't find a picture of)

2) Congratulations to the OP for doing it himself. It's very satisfying. A lot of great information here. http://www.miketechinfo.com/new-tech-wheels-tires.htm

3) How much is that stand?

Lots of luck.

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:38 pm 
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It was $719.00 with shipping off the Bay. That's full retail according to Centrimaster's website. I'm sure tomorrow they'll be a great deal less, but I couldn't help myself.

I know Park stand are far less, but this stand just spoke to me :?

Wish I had a welder...I'd weld the base to a slab of plate steel...make it rock solid and stable. Think screwing it down to a table will surfice, but...

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:52 pm 
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If I didn't have this, I'd want one. That's a nice stand.

Mine's a TS-3 with gauges (I put rollers on them so they are super smooth).

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:14 am 
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Real Men built their own truing stands:

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Might get around to putting guages on it one day . . .


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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:47 am 
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What about Roger Musson's stand out of MDF ?

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Christ $719 on a stand when you haven't built a wheel let alone going to use it professionally is a hella lotta money.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:34 pm 
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I've been eye-balling stands for over a year. I really didn't need an excuse. When the ad read it was built in Germany that was all I needed to know.

I'm the kind of guy who feels warm and fuzzy when I have a dial indicator telling me where I am versus using my eyeballs. Plus, who really needs an excuse to buy a toy? A toy that will pay for itself?

I'll eventually build wheels for myself and friends, but for now I'm learning. I don't want to build a wheel without knowing precisely to what tension, trueness and roundness the wheel is before placing it on a bike. If I had built a few thousand wheels maybe I wouldn't feel that way. I look at this trueing stand as a crutch till I can learn to walk (build) on my own.

Once I get good (if ever) I might have to build wheels for cyclists in town...I see more and more cyclists here everyday. Then I could quit my day job :lol:

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