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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:19 am 
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Sorry if I'm going off-topic. I think you can find many examples of "crap" being raced successfully. If long trail is so great then why not have it in all sizes rather than just in the small sizes? My point was that if you're varying the hta by 3 degrees across the range how can you use the same fork unless you don't understand trail? Did I tell you how much I hate long trail? :D


I have a feeling that the engineers at Scott know what they are doing, son.

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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
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Foil is a dumb name, as it is associated with ALUMINUM.

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andrello wrote:
Sorry if I'm going off-topic. I think you can find many examples of "crap" being raced successfully. If long trail is so great then why not have it in all sizes rather than just in the small sizes? My point was that if you're varying the hta by 3 degrees across the range how can you use the same fork unless you don't understand trail? Did I tell you how much I hate long trail? :D


I have a feeling that the engineers at Scott know what they are doing, son.


Maybe then they should send some of these people who 'know what they are doing', to the marketing department.


Back on topic..

The bike looks interesting, but as a first time aerodynamic effort... it raises some questions.

But like all bikes...

We all must ride one first.

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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
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shabbasuraj wrote:
The bike looks interesting, but as a first time aerodynamic effort... it raises some questions.

But like all bikes...

We all must ride one first.


What questions? Are you a professional backseat engineer?


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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:04 am 
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As for the Addicts stiffness, I know one of the HTC mechanics and he tells me that HTC had two versions of the Addict. One "normal" version that was around 1000g and a "Cavendish" version that was around 1100-1200g. Both versions vere stiffer and heavier than the production models. Makes sense instead of adding weights, to make the frames stiffer and more durable via more carbon.


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ref: Dogma. So then the question is: what about those Specialized McLarens they're riding now?

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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
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are these the new aero enve wheels on it? they don't look like the old ones

edit: yes, I think they are

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Frameset: Scott Foil
Groupset: Shimano Di2
Crankset: FSA Gossamer w/ SRM power meter
Wheelset: ENVE Composites deep-section prototype
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Will this be another scott frame where it's only offered w/ BB86? That would really suck.

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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:24 pm 
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shabbasuraj wrote:
Foil is a dumb name, as it is associated with ALUMINUM.

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...or not...
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Here's another foil (made of relatively low-carbon steel, incidentally). They sure do move through the air quickly, and have been known to whip ass.


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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
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That's Simon, the F1 aero guru who has a big part in the design. News on those wheels is coming soon (embargo) - they are sick.

Each country is getting a bunch of Foil's now. They can decide what to do with them (press, sell, etc) I guess. There will be some in shops early May, from what we were told.

I have lots of photos from the press camp, feel free to PM or email me if you want to see something specific (key word specific, I'm not sending you a gallery!). I'm not doing a web story so no conflict.

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 Post subject: Re: 2012 scott FOIL
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I'd really like to see a photo of their windtunnel tests. They tested frame + wheels and they tested bikes with dummies.

Here is a comparison of the frame test with the VeloNews results, which I converted to CdA... I converted the Masi in the VeloNews to Zipps from Fulcrums based on the difference the Zipps made to the Ridley and Cervelo:

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And here's a comparison of the tests with dummy done by Scott and done by Tour magazine:

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Anyone know when the frame module will be released. And if so what color options?? Is the Premium DI2 spicific???


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This guy is Simon Smart himself, right?


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With all due respect to Scott and Trek engineers and marketing depts - but producing pictures on the effects of trunctuated airfoils at 90°, even with diffetent yaw angles... Seriously, the 1930s called and they want their science back!

It's like being blinded by science by the mighty 1972 Chevy Vega Kammback!
I mean really folks..

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