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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Hi quattrings, perhaps the following might be helpful ...

Alfine SG-S700 (11-spd), Spoke Hole Diameter 2.9 mm, NDS Diameter 93mm, DS Diameter 93mm, NDS Flange Offset 29.5mm, DS Flange Offset 24mm ...
You can try Wheelpro spoke calculator ... http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

Other information ...
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/building-an-alfine-wheel
http://hubstripping.wordpress.com/alfine-shimano/
http://www.kstoerz.com/freespoke/hub/190


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:58 pm 
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quattrings wrote:
When I type in HED c5 or HED c5 rim I just can't seem to get pictures or info. Could you pass on a link, please. I'm guessing these will be nearly impossible to track down anyways, But just out of curiousity I'd like to know what we're talking about here.

I will be using the shimano alfine 11 stock flat bar shifter http://www.google.be/imgres?um=1&hl=nl& ... ,s:0,i:171" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'll have to spill the beans prematurely if you keep asking any further. :P
Unfortunatly Jtek does not yet produce a bar end shifter. Even if they did, caution should be taken as the Alfine hub demands exact shifting. Otherwise it could ruin the planetary reduction gears inside.
My frame sports sliding dropouts, so I'll be sticking to a bolt axle.

Hi quattrings, yes it does seem hard to find HED Jet C5 rims and even C2 rims ...


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:07 pm 
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Hi quattrings, A little more info for you ... H+Son Archetype, Weight: 470 grams, Material: G609 Alloy, Height: 25 mm, Width: 23 mm, Machined Braking Surface, ERD: 595 mm
http://hplusson.com/products/archetype


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:20 am 
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Hi KLabs,

Thanks for the info! The dimensions I had used were from that site, but I started secondguessing it after reading some different dimensions some place else.
It might be safest to just have a measure myself. Will post the dimensions here for future reference.

The h+son archetype is too shallow for my taste. I typically like 40 some mm deep wheels, or deeper is good too. :P

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:17 pm 
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Shopping for a new set of wheels. Thinking the ffwd f6r f4r split on dt 240 straightpull. I'm having one hell of a time trying to find the ERD for the ffwd rims on their site.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:56 am 
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quattrings wrote:
... The h+son archetype is too shallow for my taste. I typically like 40 some mm deep wheels, or deeper is good too. :P

Hi quattrings, what rim are you planning to use ...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:04 pm 
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I've ordered the h+son formation face yesterday.

42mm deep, 20mm deep, no machined sidewall, 32hole, 615g +-15g

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:41 pm 
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Location: Slovenia---that forest land
anyone building with rims that has assimetric holes?

I just put one wheelset together (aluminium tubular . no name, around 380g per rim, 36 holes, shimano 105 hubs)
Wheel is really stiff from both sides. tension on DS is 105kg, on NDS around 60-70kg

Is max spoke tension same as for classic drilling or it is lower becouse of holes moved to side (too much tension could twist rim)?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:12 am 
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Thought i would ask this question here as well as the dedicated thread to try and reach more people who may have the answer i need:

Campy Hyperon Ultra Hub Weights?

I have a set of Campy Hyperon Ultra wheels (1345g) with the stock carbon hubs. The from wheel rim is broken so i now have these sitting around for spares or for a potential future build (not that i build wheels).

I am now riding a set of Techlite Carbon Clinchers (1380g) which have the "ultralight" Novatec Alloy Hubs (Claimed F85g/R245g) and want to know if they are worth a rebuild using my now spare Campy Hyperon Ultra Carbon hubs...........BUT............

Without stripping them down myself i have searched the web for hours to find the claimed weight of the hyperon carbon hubs with no joy at all.

Does anyone know either the claimed or real weight of these Campy hubs and would it be worth rebuilding my Techlites with them?

Any help would be much appreciated

Hyperons: http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/wheels" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... tid_11.jsp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Techlites: http://www.techlitewheels.com/wheels/carbon%20clincher" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:02 am 
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Those novatecs you have are the A291SB and F482SB from the weight you have given. Those are not the Super light version.
The A291 SB-SL is 60g and the F482SB-SL is 230g. With these hubs you existing wheels will be 55g lighter.

I doubt rebuilding with campag hubs will save any weight. Also the front hyperon wheel uses 22 spokes. You front novatec wheel will be 20 or 24 spokes. That will end a rebuild right there.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Thanks for the info, pretty much gives me the answer I was after.......no.

Thanks for your help


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:15 pm 
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Thanks for the info, pretty much gives me the answer I was after.......no.

Thanks for your help


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:40 pm 
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Location: Slovenia---that forest land
It will be very nice if there will be comparison test of cheaper hubs - Novatec, Bitex, Chosen...
against better (DT, Tune,FRM, Alchemy, WhiteIndustries, PMP, Hope...)

or maby is better Novatec Raod Light or Bitex RAR 12(13).

Palnet X has good and very light hubs (in their wheelset 60m alu/carbone)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:54 pm 
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looking at building up some everyday training wheels. never built a set, but have done plenty of truing and I work in a shop so I have all the necessary tools. 20F/24R spokes and brass nipples. hoping to be under 1320grams, but I am not sure with the brass nipples.

I'm 6'1" 160lbs smooth tempo rider, rarely any sprints. I live in flat South Florida and ride on smooth roads 99% of the time. Opinions welcome.

Front: 20H
Hub: Novatec A291SB-SL
Rim: Alpha 340 20H
Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
will 20H and radial hold up (I know front wheels take very little beating)

Rear: 24H
Hub: Novatec F482SB-SL
Rim: Alpha 340 24H
Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
Will 24 H and 2x both sides work?

Plan on using brass nipples since it is rather salty riding by the beach/ocean, especially when it rains.

Feel free to offer any suggestions, thoughts, critiques!

Thanks

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:13 pm 
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I think that build could work for you but a 24F and 28R would be more durable.

I think these cheaper hubs come out quite well against more expensive ones. Rolling resistance of high end hubs is often cited as being good - these roll well. All wheels roll well they are round! The rolling resistance of a tyre on tarma is over 100x greater than the rolling resistance in decent hub. Even a rough hub had alot less drag in it compared to the tyre.

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