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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:31 am 
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Greetings,

Does anyone out there have a schematic of the DI2 external BB / internal junction box? Or has someone pulled one apart and know how everything connects?

I'm contemplating building a home-made wiring solution to run DI2 with a Look 596 - internally. I posted about this recently but realized the BB area is an issue. Interestingly, this same issue applies to the Look 595. See pic of BB area on said 596.

It's a simple enough matter of running 5 x 30 gauge wires down each of the existing derailleur cable guides. An easy solution would be to use the external DI2 BB junction box BUT I'd have to sever the existing derailleur cable guides just before they enter the BB area. However, I really want to avoid trimming / cutting the derailleur cable guides around the BB area in the event I:

1. Sell the frame at a later date OR
2. Revert back to a regular cable solution.

Any tips about the junction box would be appreciated!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:41 am 
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I may not need a schematic after all. The existing cable guides are replaceable - fishing them through the frame is easy if a cable is already there. I'm waiting to hear from Look USA about the availability of replacement cable guides before I start shortening my existing set for a DI2 install.

If I get this sorted out, I'll post pics - this install would apply to Look 595 and 596 framesets.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:57 pm 
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I have Di2 installed on a Look 595 using the external cabling. Looking at a winter project of reinstalling with the internal cabling. This would necessitate driiling out some rivets in the cable guides on the chain stay and enlargiung the hole to accommodate the internal cable. Do u know if you can fish the cable through the chain stay, over the bb and up the downtube to come out in the cable holes at the top of the downtube. Do you know if there is a hollow passage all the way from the chain stay to the top of the down tubes? Or is it sealed off at the bottom bracket?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:37 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:56 pm 
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We just finished a full internal Di2 install on a Look 595. We used the EW-7975 internal cabling harness, and mounted the battery just ahead of the BB under the downtube. The challenging part was to get all the internal cabling and JB inside the frame. This frame is filled with some kind of soft foam insulation that needs to be picked out to make room. As well, we did need to slightly enlarge the FD cable guide hole that goes through the big square lug behind the BB area. But we got it done, it looks great and works fine.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:58 am 
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goodboyr wrote:
We just finished a full internal Di2 install on a Look 595. We used the EW-7975 internal cabling harness, and mounted the battery just ahead of the BB under the downtube. The challenging part was to get all the internal cabling and JB inside the frame. This frame is filled with some kind of soft foam insulation that needs to be picked out to make room. As well, we did need to slightly enlarge the FD cable guide hole that goes through the big square lug behind the BB area. But we got it done, it looks great and works fine.



POST PICTURES OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smartass: :smartass: :smartass:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:09 am 
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Ok. Here goes. We needed to open two holes inside the BB shell to allow the cables to pass through. Make them large enough to pass cables, connectors and junction box through. The FD and RD cable connectors to the harness go through the rear hole in the BB shell to the inside of the lug behind the BB. The Battery and front connector go inside the downtube through the front hole in the BB shell, with the junction box. The RD cable comes out at the removed cable stop on the chain stay. (you just drill out the two rivets and the cable stop comes off. You then need to open a hole through one of the rivet holes for the cable. You can see in the picture through the hole and see the bits of foam insulation thats inside the frame. use a stiff wire to ream out this soft foam so that the cable will pass through the chain stay through to the BB shell.) The battery cable comes out the bottom of the BB via the FD hole and the battery bracket is shortened and bolted down using the same hole that the cable guide used. FD comes up though same hole as old FD cable, just had to slightly enlarge. Note that there is a metal tube connecting upper and lower FD hole through the bb lug. You will need to drill this out because it will prevent you from passing the cables through and you want to turn this into two separate holes, top for FD cable, bottom for battery cable. Front junction connector comes out of one of two front holes in downtube.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:25 pm 
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What did you use to open the holes in the BB shell?
Dremel? What bit?

Can't figure out a seemingly safe way to get drill bit in there...

Thanks in advance


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:13 am 
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I used a cordless Dremel 8000 with a tungsten carbide bit.
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/AttachmentsAndAccessories/Pages/AttachmentsDetail.aspx?pid=9903

Some tips:
The BB shell is fairly thin aluminum. Brace your hand so that you can hold the bit steady. Start a small hole and then use the side of the bit to "eat' the aluminum. Keep away from the threads of the shell. You don't want to damage those. Once you finish doing the cables, you will have three cables passing through the shell. The FD, RD and Battery. I used rubber grommets from Home Depot to line the edge of the holes to protect the cables from the sharp edges. The internal cable kit EW-7975, comes with a replacement plastic bottom bracket spacer of smaller diameter than the regular Shimano one. That provides room for the cables to go. You can see it in the Shimano Doc. that gives you some detail on the internal cable install.

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/tech_support/tech_tips.download.-Par50lparsys-0034-downloadFile.html/10)%20Di2%20Wire%20Kit%20Instructions.pdf


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:34 am 
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All that for an external battery...... :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:43 am 
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Lol! Got me! I bow my head in respect to the master!

On the other hand, just noticed that your RXR in the link has an external battery.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:26 pm 
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No more. It is getting new Record 11 on it.

Good work by the way.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:52 pm 
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Thanks! That is a much appreciated compliment. I was not totally sarcastic when I called you the master, Coloclimber. I've seen your work, and thats what inspired us to proceed with ours! Cheers!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:14 pm 
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Let me know if you want help internalizing it and saving a bunch of grams. I also have the wiring diagrams.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:06 pm 
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he on my bike the cables cross the bottom braket
and the cranks is the THM Clavicula but i meed the carbone part to protect the cables
you can see the photos (sorry for my bad English) :oops: :oops:

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http://www.concept64.fr/Pieces_Velos_su ... tions.html


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