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 Post subject: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:53 am 
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So a couple of months back, I bought a old school HED alu rim disc wheel,

getting it to work was a PITA, the hub was abit tight and cant spin well, cant put the casette too tight or it will become a 10 speed fixie.

does anyone know if my disc wheel is fine ???

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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:15 am 
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doesn't seem to be the most true, but shouldn't be an issue. As for the tightness, have you tried new bearings? The old ones might have too much play so when you tighten it up the tolerances are out. But really you only need to tighten a hub enough to remove slackness laterally when fitted to the bike, any more and you are going to load up the bearings and increase drag.


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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:35 pm 
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1/ If it is out of true there is not a great deal you can do with it.

2/ Try some of those adhesive weights to balance out the weight distribution a little.

3/ Get a cassette lockring wcich is shallower than your existing one, like Token. Sometimes a lockring can bottom out on a bearing cover turning the hub into a fixie, like you say.

4/ I don't know this wheel but if the bearings are tight I am presuming there is no means of fine adjustment. In such cases you adjust by knocking/pushing the bearings out a little, like with Novatec. If the axle has shoulders either side this will not be a problem - gentle tap with a soft mallet.

5/ You can't really establish trueness in a wobbly bike stand.


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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:17 pm 
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I'm more concerned about:
a- your shorts
b- QR tightened in the wrong direction ie against the cam


HED hubs used to be shockingly poor.
Pull the cassette off, and try to ascertain if its the freehub thats gummy, or the actual hub bearings and go from there.

FWIW i've seen worse run out on discs than that

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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:09 am 
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Pull the freehub and coat the water seals with a bit of grease. Put it back together and give each end of the axle a solid wrap with a WOODEN or RUBBER mallet.

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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:31 pm 
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sorry bout the pants, its like super hot over here (>33 deg C in the day)

i pulled out the threaded axle, but cant seem to find a way to remove the freehub out

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not too sure if im missing a part on the axle, (I still have one more of the silver spacer) but the bearings feel abit gritty when i tighten the axle and spin the wheel


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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:59 pm 
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Do you mean "tighten", or adjust properly, taking out any play?


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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:21 pm 
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Now that the axle is removed try sticking a long reach hex wrench into the freehub. It is my assumption that the freehub body is held on by a hex nut, but I am not sure what size HED use. And it has to be a long reach hex wrench to get proper engagement. Could be 10, 11, 12mm or even larger ... and expect it to be on tight.

A few freehub bodies are released from the non-drive side.


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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:00 pm 
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just an update,

i have finally managed to fix the wheel, the cause of the wobbling was play on the bearings. I tried to remove the free hub totally but i couldnt cause my 10 was too big and 8 was too small

during the past week or so, this wheel taught me alot on the inner workings of the hub which is a peculiarity because NDS uses cartridge bearing while the Drive side uses loose ball bearings.

I broke the dust seal while extracting the loose ball bearings so I guess i will have to service the wheel more often.

couldnt get grade 5 ball bearings from the bearing shops here so had to settle for grade 10.


while riding the wheel when it was not fixed caused the tire to leave a few rubber marks(and probably paint came off) on the chain stays


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 Post subject: Re: Disc wheel woes
PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:08 am 
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Out of interest, how did you remove the freehub? Thanks.


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