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 Post subject: Which Aluminiium Rim???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:32 pm 
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I want some wideish Aluminium clinchers, The HED +, and Pacenti SL23 seem a bit too wide.

The Pacenti, also seems very thin, and I wonder about the durability. It is wider and deeper than an Archetype but weighs 70g less, (The pacenti I weighed was 406g). The Hed Ardennes Plus, is almost identical in size, but also weighs around 65g more. As a percentage that's 16% or more metal than the Pacenti SL23 V2.

When you compare to an open Pro, that is low profile and narrow, and also heavier, it shows just how thin the metal must be on the pacenti. The Kinlin 279, is similar in shape, but weighs nearly 100g more, or 25% more metal.

Others I have found
American Classic 22mm wide 18mm high 375g About £75
Dt 460 - 23mm wide 23mm deep & 460g About £35
Archetype 23mm wide 25mm deep 470g About £50
HED C2 23mm wide 25mm deep 465g About £120
Pacenti SL23 24.5mm wide 415g about £95

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What would people go for? I guess its Durability Vs Weight

Are there any others?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:20 pm 
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The Hed Belgium rims are very nice but expensive, the H+Son rims are similarly very well made, however they are not tubeless. I've generally liked the A23s, they're much better than they used to be, and have had limited experience with the DT Swiss rims, but they seem OK. If you're building the wheels yourself, H+Son or Hed will be the easiest to build with.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:55 pm 
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Titanium22 wrote:
What would people go for? I guess its Durability Vs Weight


I'd go with the Archetype or Kinlin if you want a robust rim for a decent price. The Kinlin is very good for aero as well. The A23 is ok if you want a shallow rim that isn't as stiff.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:32 am 
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I'm assuming you're thinking of brake track durability as well and if that's the case I'd avoid the Archetypes, many stories on here of them wearing out very quickly.


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mattyNorm wrote:
I'm assuming you're thinking of brake track durability as well and if that's the case I'd avoid the Archetypes, many stories on here of them wearing out very quickly.


The brake track on the Archetypes is actually fine, it's just the anodizing which wears through eventually, since they treat them after having machined them, not the other way around. There are also the new Ligero VM29s, if those aren't too wide.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:43 pm 
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What is your intended use for them? Just regular training? Or racing crits, roadraces, climbing, wintertraining? What is your terrain and weather like?

While you consider that, you might as well have a look at this review:

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/reviews-an ... m-roundup/


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:38 pm 
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I ride HED C2 clincher rims I built with DT 240 hubs and Sapim CX spokes. I have been very pleased with the wheels and they were easily brought true while I was building them. I have a couple of thousand miles on them and have had no issues at all. You can get them for less than $100 each at retail outlets during sales.


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Fairwheel is an amazing resource. Seems like whatever one wants to do with their bike, they have a test for it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:37 pm 
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specs for wide rims
V1 Pacenti SL23 440g 24mm wide (18.5mm internal width) 26mm deep expensive but a good light rim
V2 Pacenti SL23 417g 24.5mm wide 25mm deep? 20mm internal width even lighter still a good rim
HED Belgium+ 490g 25mm wide 20.2mm internal width 25mm deep robust, wide and pretty and perfect everytime
Kinlin XC279 490g 27mm deep 17mm internal width 23mm wide Cheap and stiff
H plus archetype 485g 23mm wide, 17.5mm internal width 25mm deep mid priced excellent QC and robust
Kinlin XR21T 450g 24mm wide 22mm deep 18.5mm internal width
Kinlin XR31T 490g 24mm wide 31mm deep 18.5mm internal width
DT Swiss R460 485g (not 460g) 23mm wide 23mm deep.

for regular training in all weathers go with the cheaper rim. For competition use or for that pretty bike the Pacenti or HED rims win for me.

the new Kinlin rims are a good alternative to the Pacenti rim. The new Pacenti rim makes the HED almost pointless. The HED is just pretty.

What would I go for. What ever your budget allows, however the Velocity offering is substandard in quality compared to all the other rims. Drilling swarf is left behind for you for example.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:25 am 
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I have built one wheelset with dtswiss R460 rims and am extremley satisfied with them. They build nice wheels, easy to true and are cheap.
On scale they came at 470 and 471 g.
They are not welded but I have no problems with pinned rims.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:27 am 
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I'm an amateur wheel builder but I had no issues with the A23s. I used an asymmetric rear. I chose the A23 for weight/price ratio.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:32 pm 
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Thank you all for the replies.

I have been looking in the shop at some of the American Classic 2218, 22 is the width x 18 deep. Very Light @375g, they look well finished and I found some online at about £70, Any Good for a 24/28 build at 70kg?

They also had maybe the perfect rim, at 22.7 wide and 30 deep, rounder shape, tubeless compatible, but they only seem to sell them as built wheels, in the Victory 30 Tubeless. They are different to the Victory which has a 30mm deep, v shape, but narrow rim.

It is very similar to the Argent rim, that is the same dimensions, and weighs 390g.

Does anyone have any input on how long the rims might last, riding mostly dry or damp hilly roads and getting caught occasionally in a shower, particularly with the Pacenti and Archetype, as they are most readily available. I know its like asking how long is a piece of sting, but does an archetype last longer than a pacenti? are they both worse than a mavic ksyrium? 5000 miles? 10,000 miles? 20,000 miles? I have absolutely no idea.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:55 am 
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Give Pacenti V2 a try and come back tell us, what you think. I can't remember a single post or topic, with someone not being satisfied with the Pacentis. Archetype are a bit heavier, less aero and cheaper. I think you'll be more satisfied with Pacentis.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:59 pm 
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Titanium22 wrote:
I know its like asking how long is a piece of sting, but does an archetype last longer than a pacenti? are they both worse than a mavic ksyrium? 5000 miles? 10,000 miles? 20,000 miles? I have absolutely no idea.


The rims will usually wear out from braking, in 100 miles (wet descending and sand/grit) or 100,000 depending on how you use them. Or they will crack at the spoke holes. IMO a properly built rim should last 20k miles before that happens, but some light ones may not.

The Archetypes are definitely thicker material and more robust than the SL23s.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:25 pm 
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Multebear wrote:
Give Pacenti V2 a try and come back tell us, what you think. I can't remember a single post or topic, with someone not being satisfied with the Pacentis. Archetype are a bit heavier, less aero and cheaper. I think you'll be more satisfied with Pacentis.

I saw some reports on RBR forum of Pacenti cracking around spoke holes. I'm not sure were those V1 or V2, but I think all of them were 24h with proper tension of up to 120 kgf.


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