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 Post subject: Brakes Review
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 10:52 am 
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I have came across a very interesting article on the Mtbr.com forum:

xc-rider wrote:
Hi,
I got this article a couple of weeks ago and thought you may be interested in seeing it.
This is no mtb article, but since the road brake pads offered are also usually offered in a mtb version, this gives us a good idea of what mtb pads performances are as well.

Some information :
- test realised in Rigida laboratory (I've seen it myself... very serious laboratory).
- test done on front wheel with front brake
- all pads tested with Mavic front brake


http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_1.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_2.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_3.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_4.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_5.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_6.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_7.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_8.pdf
http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_9.pdf


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Nice links Beeble, but I think you should have called the topic "Superlite eat this!"

http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_4.pdf

:laughat: 0G-05 Ti all the way


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:21 am 
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leonardo da vinci wrote:
Nice links Beeble, but I think you should have called the topic "Superlite eat this!"

http://pyf-wheels.chez.tiscali.fr/tests ... pads_4.pdf

:laughat: 0G-05 Ti all the way


I know :D. It all started as a good brake pads review and then I saw the 4th page and a thought to my self I've got to post this on weightweenies :D

And it proved my feeling that my new DA brakes with DA pads are a worse performer than my old Centaur with SwissStop green pads. I am changing back to SwissStop ASAP.


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Funny the silence on this topic, seeing these brakes have been rammed down our throats for the past few weeks. My 3 sets off FRM are on order. Judging by these tests it seems anything but dual pivot is going to be weaker. But at the moment I am using brakes based on DIA Compe BRS200 design.

One pair FRM : they are ok
Cane Creek : eventhough the same design basically, they are noticably worse.
Brew Brakes : Also based on Dia Compe , but just so much better than the other 2 that it is difficult to accept they are all based on this design.

So maube there is hope yet for the new FRM


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Are these swissstop pads better than koolstop?


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It's making me wonder why I sold my Mavic SSC. I thought they were the best brakes I had used but didn't realize it was that much better.

I am curious how the M5 brakes would stack up. I should get mine in a couple weeks.


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mises wrote:
It's making me wonder why I sold my Mavic SSC. I thought they were the best brakes I had used but didn't realize it was that much better.

I am curious how the M5 brakes would stack up. I should get mine in a couple weeks.


What is curious is that a french brake wins a french brake test.....


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are corima brake pads as reliable in rain on carbon rims as dura ace on alu rims??? :noidea:


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Hi mises,

Could also get the M5 brakes but opted to wait because:

So far they not have been properly tested on road bikes. think that looking at the design, cable clamps and brakepad mounts could have some initial problems.
I do advice you too to wait (know that's hard). Think that paying a high price for the first "heavy" production run of these M5 brakes just is madness.
I decided to wait since I refuse to pay and act as a testpilot for this new product (can tell you how this works, since I was one of the first owners of a set of cat brakes)


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Typical french test (like the french car tests where the home made cars get top scores on quality, but oh boy wait till you own one!).
Mathematically seen this test is bollocks, there is no way the 90 Euro's difference between the og ti and the ss will cause so much difference in price quality score.
Besides: the mavics will be sold for about 150 Euro where campy record will retail for as low as 185! this will make the mavic score a lot less good than they do!


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sharkman wrote:
Hi mises,

Could also get the M5 brakes but opted to wait because:

So far they not have been properly tested on road bikes. think that looking at the design, cable clamps and brakepad mounts could have some initial problems.
I do advice you too to wait (know that's hard). Think that paying a high price for the first "heavy" production run of these M5 brakes just is madness.
I decided to wait since I refuse to pay and act as a testpilot for this new product (can tell you how this works, since I was one of the first owners of a set of cat brakes)


I basically agree but even if you wait you are still a test pilot. The quantities involved in the weight weenie part industry are not large enough to yield a valid statistical estimation of the true road worthiness without waiting years to get the true failure rate rather than an estimate from a small sample.

Obviously if 100% fail in the first few months something is [almost] certainly wrong but even if only 1 or 2/100 fail the first year it doesn't necessarily mean it's any good. You may get a more user friendly design if you wait but regardless of the short term results it may still wind up a user friendly piece of crap as the infinite variety of real world variables take their toll.

Which is all a long way of saying you're a chicken who's more afraid of careening off a cliff and dying than having the newest coolest bike parts around. Well some of us have our priorities straight! :wink:


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could their be an english version of this test??? or has anyone tried to translate? i see the numbers, but i would still like to read the review.

thanks in advance.


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Mrowkoob

As far as I know Rigida are Dutch, and these were done in Rigida lab. They have an agent in France but that is as far as the French connection goes.

So this is not just a test from a french company making a French product a winner. Rigida do rims, so I think that there is no behind the scenes marketing here


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