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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:35 pm 
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Hi,

I'm a little cofussed about the different headset standards. I Have a Caad 9 frame which is for intetegrated headsets. But does the Cane Creek 110is fit for sure?

http://canecreek.com/component-headsets ... uct=110-IS


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I think the Caad9 uses the Campy standard so no.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:10 pm 
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On the old headset it says Cane Creek. But I don't think it is a original Cane Creek but just a name of a patent.

Do you still think it is a Campagnolo style headset that fits?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:56 pm 
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I know that the CAAD9 uses the Campy standard, but Cane Creek makes models with the Campy standard and the slightly smaller IS standard. If the bearings have 45 x 45 marked on them, it's the Campy standard and have a diameter of 41.8mm. Bearings marked 36 x 45 will be the IS standard, with a 41mm diameter.


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It says is24 on the outside of the old headset.

On the bearing it says 41,8/30,2/45

So the indikaton on outside sounds like a is headset, but on the bearing it says 41,8 which indicates a campagnolo style headset. Anyone?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:59 pm 
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I see nothing that would lead to an IS. The 41.8 alone says Campy.

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=68


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:04 pm 
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Seems like the 110 is only made in the IS standard so you are out of luck. But really, its a waste of money to get a 110 integrated headset. Just get an IS-3i or IS-8i


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DaveS wrote:
I see nothing that would lead to an IS. The 41.8 alone says Campy.

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=68


I'm sure you are right, it was just the IS24 and Cane Creek on the outside of the old headset that made me wonder.

Looking at the Park Tool article there is a picture of an exploded campagnolo headset. There are pictured 2 bearing cone races. None of these races are in the old headset. If you say it is possible to have an campagnolo type headset without bearing cone races I will put my doubt to rest and get a new campy type headset.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:21 pm 
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I'm in the process of replacing the same headset as yours on my Synapse so will be interested to hear what you go for!


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nitropowered wrote:
Seems like the 110 is only made in the IS standard so you are out of luck. But really, its a waste of money to get a 110 integrated headset. Just get an IS-3i or IS-8i


As nitro has stated any Cane Creek headset that has an italic "i " following the model number is for campy style headsets. I just went through this when upgrading the headset for my DeRosa Merak. The headset bearings had no markings and I worked with Gary at Cane Creek support to sort it out. In the end I learned that Campy is the only one that uses 45 degree bearings in both the upper and lower bearing. If either your upper or lower are anything else then you have a different std and need to take all of the headtube ID/OD measurements.

To be certain I would email Cane Creek and ask them the model numbers you can use
before you purchased anything. They were easy to work with and usually pretty fast in responding with


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:45 pm 
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I have talked to Cane Creek. And they say that even though it says Cane Creek on the headset it isn't made by them. It's just the name of the patent and the make of the headset is a no-name. Therefore Cane Creek can't help me out. But this is so strange to me. Why is it a Cane Creek patent, but the bearings indicate its a campagnolo type of headset as DaveS pointed out. Both bearings are 45 degress so this also indicates that it's a campy.


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The solution is simple.

Here are the facts:

-- 41.7/8 or 42mm is the bearing OD for Campy Std.

This is what Cannondale uses in addition to the following condition:

-- 45* external angle

You tend to get 45 x 45 Campy (42mm) bearings as standard but you could also get 36 x 45 (42mm) which are also compatible. The internal angle becomes almost irrelevant as long as you use the supplied compression ring and crown race of the particular headset.

For example, Cane Creek IS-2i is 45 x 45 x 42mm and Cane Creek IS-3i is 36 x 45 x 42mm. Both are compatible and adhere to the Campy standard. The only reason Cane Creek made the switch to IS-3i is that it's simpler for them to make one type of crown race and compression ring to fit both IS and Campy standards.

Cane Creek 110 is not compatible with Campy. Well it will fit but will work badly, possibly rattle, if one tries.


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Zak wrote:
I have talked to Cane Creek. And they say that even though it says Cane Creek on the headset it isn't made by them. It's just the name of the patent and the make of the headset is a no-name. Therefore Cane Creek can't help me out. But this is so strange to me. Why is it a Cane Creek patent, but the bearings indicate its a campagnolo type of headset as DaveS pointed out. Both bearings are 45 degress so this also indicates that it's a campy.


The only headsets made by Cane Creek are the ones you can purchase in a box. Namely, IS-2i, IS-3i, IS-8i, IS-2, IS-3, IS-6, IS-8, IS-110 and so on.

There are many outfits in the far east who supply OEM headsets based on the Integrated design. The thing you call patent is just for the cover.

The IS24 you have is a Campy copy made by Tange. It's still a 45 x 45 x 42mm bearing and assembly.

Still seems like a fine quality headset in my view. Why do you want to change it?


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Not trying to be dense, but does that mean either this, this or this will work? I need a headset with a super-low stack height and any of these would fit the bill.

Also: I've been using a 110 for roughly 2000 miles on my CAAD9 :oops: How can I tell if I've damaged the frame?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:32 am 
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http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showth ... ost2124347
RoadBikeVirgin wrote:
Here is what Cannondale had to say about bb30 CAAD9 framesets as of 04/21/2009:
Cannondale wrote:
Our headsets are Campy hiddenset compatible, 45 x 45 bearing angles, 1 1/8 inch. Cane Creek, FSA and Ritchey make compatible headsets.
According to our current bill of materials we are using a Tange branded headset with our CAAD9 framesets.

You can find the Tange IS24 here: http://www.tangeseiki.com/tangeseiki_ne ... 010502.gif
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IS24LT: http://www.tangeseiki.com/tangeseiki_ne ... 013293.gif
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IS24ELT: http://www.tangeseiki.com/tangeseiki_ne ... 010503.gif
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