counterpoint, know what you race.. if you dont spend tons of time riding carbon tubs you won't be used to their idiosyncrasies.
Plus, why spend the money on nice race wheels to only use them a few times a month.. they are way too much fun for that

This thread is going way off topic. I'm pretty sure there are tubular vs. clincher threads elsewhere on the forum.

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come on man..

a few more weeks and this topic will be hopping with tons of new builds and all will be well.

Please keep it on topic guys. tubbie vs clinchers debates are already widespread.

Thanks

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xnavalav8r, im using mavic yellow by swisstop, perfect match without toeing it in. had tried kool stops duratype carbon 2 weeks ago, just like you said, squealed crazy. toed it in 1mm and got better but couldnt get the squeal out totally so went back to mavics.

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Any updates on the group buy Ted?

Indeed it will

I have just recently placed orders for two sets of Soul Prodigy V3 hubs, a pair of Stan's Alpha 340 rims, and a pair of 310g 50mm matte UD carbon tubular rims from Xiamen Far Sports (they also have a 215g 20mm tubular rim). The tubular wheelset should be close to 1000g, and the tubeless should be under 1200g.

The tubular wheelset might be built up in a month when the rims arrive, but the hubs for the tubeless set will take a couple months since they need to be custom drilled 28/28.

Ok. My 20mm rims are on their way. I'm now choosing hubs (20h/24h). Here's my shortlist:

Tune (nice but a bit pricey for this build)
Soul Kozak (good weight, cheaper, possibly less reliable)
Soul Wheel Division (Cheaper, heavier)
American Classic (Light, cheapish)
C4
M5

I haven't made up my mind yet. Are there any good options I'm missing?

Absolutely, there are surprisingly a bunch of cheap light 20/24 hubs available from taiwanese OEMs:

Novatec Road Hubs are $115 for 76g / 245g
Token Accura TK195 Hubs are as cheap as $135 with steel bearings for 82g / 268g, more expensive for newer ceramic bearings which are 80g / 255g.
Circus Monkey Road Hubs are only on eBay for $123 and are 78g / 224g

I probably would have gotten the Circus Monkey hubs if I could have gotten them from sellers higher up the supply chain and gotten other colors / drillings / freehubs.

Soul Prodigy hubs seem to be the best for the money.

Why?
-Weight is 288g (accurately claimed) for the pair.
-Look at the specs: flange locations, bearings, bracing angles, etc:. These specs match better or very close to the top rated hubs as listed under the FWB epic hub review.

I really don't see anything better that compares at that price point, really. The aforementioned cheap sets are both heavier and have poorer specs.

Your hubs matter more than you realize.

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Thanks for the help. I'm coming round to the Soul Prodigy. Not overly light but good for the price. Should (just) make a 1000g wheelset and will keep the cost down. I'm not too fussed if it's 10g over the magic kilo mark.

sorry for the off topic

Anyone from the USA groupbuy receive their 20mm rims?

they are a few weeks out i believe

you mean they have been shipped our a few weeks ago?