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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:25 pm 
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May be looking at getting one of these soon bu cant quite decide which

both look great and can easily be upgraded, but lookng for more opinions on ride/shifting etc.

so i need some weenie opinions .

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:37 am 
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I say Ultegra
However I am biased
I just dislike SRAM

Ultegra weighs more
But I think it will perform
Better than the Force

Just my opinion
No offense to SRAM users
To each his own, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:00 am 
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I would say force... its more carbony (important!) and will be available cheaper.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:48 am 
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First decide which shifting style you like, then you have your answer.

Ultegra is heavier and, depending on deals available to you, might cost more. However if you already have Shimano on other bikes you have the tools and can swap bits about if need be as well as retaining one shifting style. The new ultegra shifters are a nice bit of plastic (of course I mean carbon) :D

Looks are subjective, but the shifters all look good now, and the rest of it is all starting to look ugly! I thnk SRAM probably being the slightly worse of the two!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:41 pm 
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I'll likely be putting 2010 Force on my wife's bike.

The main reason is she likes the shape of the levers and how easy it is to adjust the reach. We ran into the Sram demo guy at a race a week ago, and he was very helpful and persuasive.

I also have Red on one of my bikes and like how it works it better than Shimano.

That said, the new Ultegra looks nice. I saw the crankset a couple of weeks ago. Looks just like DA, though brighter.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:41 pm 
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Doolop wrote:
I would say force... its more carbony (important!)


I hope you're kidding.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:14 pm 
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Doolop wrote:
I would say force... its more carbony (important!) and will be available cheaper.

Where is Force cheaper than Ultegra?
In Europe it's th opposite, you can buy Ultegra cheaper than Force.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:18 pm 
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MSRP for 2010 force is about $200 cheaper than ultegra 6700 in north america, and obviously not a lot of deals going since they are both just becoming widely available

personally i would go with force, even if it was more expensive than ultegra


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:28 pm 
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exhibitx, what price are you seeing for Ultegra 6700?

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Complete group stats are misleading since one can mix&match. Nevertheless, using Competitive Cyclist data, Force wins as the best weenie group deal, considering price, of all of the following:

Super-Record 11 = 2000 grams, $2560
Record 11 = 2039 grams, $2138
Chorus 11 = 2166.0 grams, $1545
Red = 2007 grams, $2103
Force = 2161 grams, $1258
Rival = 2305 grams, $952
Dura-Ace 7900: 2105 grams, $2600
Ultegra 6700: 2329 grams, $1457

Force vs. Ultegra? No contest.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:17 pm 
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Chorus 11 can be had for $1100. I'd buy it over Force or Ultegra.

Your prices aren't close to the best avaialble. With Campy, you can get Athena 11 for around $800, Record for around $1400 and SR for around $1700. Check out Ribble for good prices.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:42 pm 
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DaveS wrote:
Chorus 11 can be had for $1100. I'd buy it over Force or Ultegra.

Your prices aren't close to the best avaialble. With Campy, you can get Athena 11 for around $800, Record for around $1400 and SR for around $1700. Check out Ribble for good prices.


Of course they're not the best available price, but I wanted to use a consistent source. It's a mistake to pick a sale price on one group, a list price on another. And Competitive Cyclist offers the advantage that their ordering page quickly sums mass and price.

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campy also requires the expensive 11 speed tool, assuming you plan on installing/maintaining it yourself

as i said, ultegra 6700 and force 2010 are just barely making it to any real level of availability, so you can't expect the same kind of deals for chorus/record/sr which have been out long enough for retailers to want to get rid of some stock


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Yes -- the same issue existed when Red first released. Its immaturity inflated the apparent price, when compared on a deal-versus-deal basis.

It's fairly easy for me to fix the plot if someone can propose a set of self-consistent prices better then the Competitive Cyclist standard. I put the xmgrace source here, as well. I used grace's linear regression through all points to generate the $/gram values, but the real choice is made on a group-by-group basis (for example, Rival to Force, then Force to Red), so these regressions are only representative.

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DaveS wrote:
Chorus 11 can be had for $1100. I'd buy it over Force or Ultegra.

where??

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