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 Post subject: good rain tires?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:35 am 
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I have a bike dedicated to rain use only. Looking for a decent set of rain tires, with good traction, but still not too heavy and still fairly quick. I run veloflex pave's on dry roads and they are awesome, but haven't used them on wet or rainy roads. Any ideas?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:02 pm 
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Conti GP 3000.


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Mile Ditch wrote:
Conti GP 3000.

My choice too.
Vittoria All Weather is also a nice all-round tire and is pretty good in the rain (though quite expensive compared to the GP3000).

Best rain only tire in my opinion is Schalwbe's Stelvio Rain. This one is 'made' for racing in the rain and I think it handles great on wet roads. (but when you use it in dry weather it wears extremely fast). So I would go for the GP3000

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GP 3000s are slippery as hell, I'm scared if I know someone descends on those in front of me.

Try the Michelin Pro Grip, it's an excellent tire. I use the old Conti GrandPrix (without 3000). They are cheap, long lasting and heaps better than the 3000 silica crap: grippier and don't collect as much gravel.


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Dr.Dos wrote:
GP 3000s are slippery as hell, I'm scared if I know someone descends on those in front of me.



This is bizarre! I don't doubt you, but I've found the GP3000 to grip extremely well, second only to the supersonics. I've only ever used grey or black ones and they give me great confidence, wet or dry. Vittoria rubinos slip a bit, and the Michelins are OK, but for me the GP3000s win.

There must be something to do with confidence, I guess...


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Mile Ditch wrote:
they give me great confidence, wet or dry.

Won't ever argue with you about this, go on and rock on these tires! :D


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Dr.Dos wrote:
Mile Ditch wrote:
they give me great confidence, wet or dry.

Won't ever argue with you about this, go on and rock on these tires! :D


I tell you what are bad.. those S-works ones with the red stripes (discontinued I hope). As soon as you hit the red bit, BANG, over you go.


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 Post subject: Michelin
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I like the Michelin Eilurium's (previuosly Axial with Kevlar, and before that the Axial Select), whilst hard enough to last in the dry, they dont get scary in the wet.

I have never had much luck in the wet with Conti's - they seem to be water soluable in Sydney rain.

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So who has actually rode the pro grips? Any good?


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do a search.. a week ago we have discussed all weather tyres...

i use schwalbe evolution on my winter wheelset. (different types of material in the front and her rear) very good on wet streets light snow or ice...

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Pedä wrote:
do a search.. a week ago we have discussed all weather tyres...

i use schwalbe evolution on my winter wheelset. (different types of material in the front and her rear) very good on wet streets light snow or ice...

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5105&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=weather+tires+pro+grip+rain&start=0
Is this the thread? Sorry mate im intested in Rain tires for racing :lol:


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I don't like the GP3000 either - especially not in rain.
But imho you already got some decent tires. At least for me the Pavé work very well and especially predictable in rain, though one has to argue that they might not have _the_ best grip - here the Schwalbe rain tire seems to be shining. But the Veloflex roll very fast - in wet imho even better than on dry road. It is what I am using also.
A good option might also be the Michelin tires. I tried the Pro Race and they have some of the most awesome grips.

Howsoever: I remember a Tour test for rain tires where they gave test numbers about rolling resistance, puncture proofness and most important: grip.
I could look it up for you if you are still interested.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:38 am 
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pkor,
very interested in test results that you mentioned about tour tires in the rain, puncture resistance, grip, etc. many tires in the rain pick up road debris and grind the debris into the tires causing flats. would be interesting to see what tour riders thought. was riding conti attack and force for a while. They seemed good in the rain, but not being able to rotate was a detriment. would not object to running pave's in the rain if they have some grip when wet. Have not tried the Schwalbe tires, or the michelin pro grip. Also, not going crazy in rain conditions either. No killer decents or whipping around curves, but would like some confidence and the ability to lean into turns, stop ok, and not get a rain flat every time out. Have ruined and prematurely worn out so many components riding in the rain (crank bearing, cassettes, chain rings, chain, derailuer sprockets to complete circles, tons of brake pads, wheel bearings) but its fun to ride in the rain on any day over 45 degrees and not have to ride the damm trainer!


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digger wrote:
Pedä wrote:
do a search.. a week ago we have discussed all weather tyres...

i use schwalbe evolution on my winter wheelset. (different types of material in the front and her rear) very good on wet streets light snow or ice...

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5105&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=weather+tires+pro+grip+rain&start=0
Is this the thread? Sorry mate im intested in Rain tires for racing :lol:



yes this was the thread...

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 Post subject: Re: Michelin
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:11 pm 
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Cyco wrote:
I like the Michelin Eilurium's (previuosly Axial with Kevlar, and before that the Axial Select), whilst hard enough to last in the dry, they dont get scary in the wet.

I have never had much luck in the wet with Conti's - they seem to be water soluable in Sydney rain.


Yep what he said - training tire of choice for all weather. Rides well in snow (not my choice, got stuck out when it started snowing), rain (same deal) and gives good mileage. The only problem with it is that it is a heavy tire and it corner's pretty well and is safe (never had it slip out under)....

but it is a little noisy on those quick acclerations...


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