Did someone say earlier that a Pinarello had never won a major Tour?

Now I'm a C40 rider, but have to point out that not only were both Ullrich (97) and Riis (96) riding Pinarellos, but Indurain (I think) won all five of his TdF's on Pinarellos...

That doesnt make a frame good or bad...Indurain could have won with a no name bike too.

@benz76
Your still didnt asnwer my queation ...whats your LSS. You said i am not a racer obviously...if yu not know what LSS means...its you who cant be a racer.

I read somewhere indurains bike is pegoretti with pinarello decal...

Were mainly TVT carbon framed

Carbon frames between 91 and 95?

[Carbon frames between 91 and 95?]

Yes. They started making TVT frames in 1985. Lemond and Hinault were using them that year along with many other members of La Vie Claire.

Lemond was using Carbonframes (now Calfee) in 1990.

Alan frames were first made in the late 70's, Vitus in the early 80's.

Before then, there was the Grafton (Graftek?) frames which Wayne and Dale Stetina used to good effect, and probably more I don't know about.

Speedwell were making Ti frames in the early 70's![/quote]

Hello, I´m spanish, I´ve got a Zeus Starship frame, it´s supossed to weight 1050gr and it´s quite affordable 750€, it also has life warranty.
It´s the frame of Euskaltel-Euskadi spanish team.
PD: forget my language mistakes

I thought Euskatel uses Orbea frames...?!?!

The Zeus Starship frame is the model name for Orbea. All of Orbea's carbon frames are made under the Zeus model label.

Orbea and Zeus are the same trademark, I think Orbea bought Zeus.
But Orbea only sales replicas of Euskaltel team bike and Mountain Bikes.
Zeus sells frames, forks, and bycicles.
The two brands are lifetime warrantied.

Yes, Orbea did buy out Zeus a few year ago.

What do you mean Orbea only sells Replica's......they make the team bikes for Euskatel. The Euskatel frame that Orbea sells is the same one they supply to the team (or at least did tell Euskatel anounced they were folding).

Orbea only sells replicas from the Euskaltel-Euskadi team bike.
It also sells an exact replica from that bike (Frame Orbea (Zeus ok?) Starship, Shimano Duraace, Mavic KSyrium SSL, ITM Millenium....)
At least in Spain, Orbea does not sells frames, in fact, when I bought my Zeus Starship frame they offered me painting it on Euskaltel-Euskadi colors, but in my frame you can read Zeus.
Where are you from Xterra Racer? are you spanish?

I'm not sure you understand how this works. Who do you think builds Euskatel's bikes??

Orbea is the parent company. They bought out Zeus....so if the frame is a Zeus frame....it's also an Orbea frame. Which part of that do you not get?

This is straight from Orbea's web site:

Our brands ORBEA, ZEUS and VENETO. They all share the company know-how, quality and are specifically designed to meet the requirements of the most discerning customer, who is on the look-out for the latest design and technology developments.

Both our road and mountain bikes are at the cutting edge of bike production, no wonder they are used by professional teams.

Our EUSKALTEL and ORBEA professional teams serve a dual purpose: on the one hand they provide obvious publicity for the company, and on the other a useful testing ground for the most advanced designs and materials. ORBEA, ZEUS and VENETO bikes are built individually by highly skilled personnel, who know just what the customer is seeking.

You´re right, I only was telling that the Starship frame is sell by Zeus, but if you consideer it´s a Orbea as you say.
Only a thing the Orbea professional team is a MTB team, as I told you under the Orbea name they only sell the Euskaltel Replicas and MTB bikes and frames.

I strongly suggest you actually take a look at the Orbea web site. I count 8 road teams all riding Orbea's (including Euskaltel and one team that is actually named Orbea) and also the MTB team. Additionally Orbea is also supplying bikes to the US Jellybelly team.

Zeus is mearly a brand that Orbea owns. Zeus makes chain and seat stay, forks, and seat posts for Orbea.