GonaSovereign wrote:Adding an 11th in the back just makes me assume Campy can't think of anything new.
Obviously you have seen the new gruppos yet, so tell us, please.
toyota wrote:not if you used it after every ride.bcheung wrote:I measure 12 links with a ruler. I also lube/clean after every ride. Lube is cheaper than a chain.
isnt the tour longer now with more climbing compared to 1957??hockinsk wrote:I really don't understand peoples obsession with being so anti or so pro 11 sprockets. Of course it's pointless. The bicycle, was already perfected 50 years ago, but everyon wants lighter, stronger, more, because the animal in us says it must be better.
Average speed of 1957 Tour de France 34.520kmh
Average speed of 2007 Tour de France 38.98kmh
So basically 10 more gears, EPO, Carbon Fibre, massively lighter bikes, race radio, decent tarmac, decent tyres, aero wheels, shorter races, better hotels, team buses, showers, non-chaffing bib shorts, hi-tec fabrics, maltodextrin, glucose, fruit and veg and padded bar tape have all equalled a grand total of just over 4kmh in the biggest race of them all!
Big sodding deal, but I still want this:
even if i won't ever go one kmh faster.
madcow wrote:What I've heard from some fairly reliable sources is that the addition of the 11th cog was a last minute thought to give them something big and tangible to sell as an improvement. I'm told that the original plan called for electronic to be ready. Since it failed and Shimano is known to have major changes to their group in addition to the electronic group, Campag felt they needed something.(Much the same reason the UT crank was rushed)
On the upside it's nice to know that the price of Chorus and Record won't change all that much(although we did see price increases again this month). However SuperRecord is insane. I don't want to give any real details but suffice it to say if I were to put it on my Parlee Z4, the group would be more expensive than my frame, fork, headset, carbon clamp, bar, stem and pedals together.
I don't see 11speed as a practical way to run a single chainring. A chain that thin won't hold up well to running the width of the cassette. I think perhaps it's best application would be in straight block cassettes for TT.
DaveS wrote:Those harping about the lack of "innovation" need to define it, or post examples of what NEEDS to be changed. Otherwise you're not saying anything.
Pantani wrote:The only benefit I can see is for Campag to eliminate that stupid gapin their ratios. However, they could do that with 10 speed if they would just produce a twelve to twentyone cassette. Thats the reason that the only bike I run shimano on is my TT bike.
PS 4kph is a pretty big difference in average speed.
zebragonzo wrote:DaveS wrote:There are different levels of innovation. there's modification type innovation which is incrimental change. Then there's genuine innovation like Ahead sets.
spartan wrote:madcow, how did e-record fail. several protour teams have been using e-record this year at all the races.
i don't understand why campy is INCREASING prices since 90% of their products are now produced in low-cost Romania. Sram will continue to gobble up market share.