Pez, I wasn't aware I needed a rescue. I have no idea who insider is, nor do I have anything to do with his/her post if that is what you are implying.
Im not asking if any manufacturer has marketing BS...
I'm asking what specifically I have said that directly supports or states BS.
You took the time to make the statement and you chose the thread. I would simply ask that you qualify your words.
I wasn't stating if any manufacturers have marketing BS...we all know most of them do.
My statement was more in regards to how you at times
will regurgitate some marketing spiel then say you don't know if it's true but until you see hard data otherwise (other than from Cess), you believe it. So while not completely endorsing the BS, it kinda does in a sly way. This is what I got from a very quick reading of the zipp dimple threads.
This happens in some reviews too. I guess if you were clear about what the claims are from the manufacturer are, rather than blending the marketing with the review it wouldn't be so bad.
As far as a direct support the closest I could find given my time is the zipp dimple tires thread where you don't want to listen to doubters anymore and want to listen to people who have gone out and ridden the tires. Even though it is impossible for a rider to measure the 1-2 watts benefit claim given changes in temperature, wind and a riders legs. A wind-tunnel would be needed.
link to zipp tire thread.
zip dimple general thread.
Unfortunately now it seems as though I am on some personal attack on you given all these posts. I am not. Most of my original post in this thread was not directed at you but in general. The part that was directed at you was mostly in support.
I responded to this thread because J-Nice's post had been mis-characterized unfairly. BTW, something you do frequently to avoid the subject. J-Nice had a valid point, though links from other sites for reviews or stories like from CN have always been allowed since I've been around here so I'm ok with this thread. But I responded in support and to enlarge his point on how marketing is allowed on the forum not just this ZG thread.