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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:08 am 
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Hey guys, I'm still debating on which tires to get. My latest option is the Tufo S3 lite, 215g tubular/clincher.

http://www.tufo.com/index.php?lg=en&mn=1&id=43

These any good? WHat kind of mileage you get? Puncture resistence?
Patchable? Anyone ride these?

Also, do you need rim tape with these tires?

$55 a tire is alot, but if it's a good tire and saves me 80g of rotational mass I'll pay it.

Thanks!

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real weight is 280g. and they are good, they are basically the same as elite road but in 21mm instead of 23mm. the jet's are 240g real weight - you should go for those if you want to save weight.

i am using vredestein and i hate them. i like tufo better, i wish tufo had clincher only so i can fix a flat any where anytime.


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Superlite wrote:
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These any good? WHat kind of mileage you get? Puncture resistence?
Patchable? Anyone ride these?
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Thanks!

I ride the S3 Lite tubular, and commute each day to work. I find them to be very puncture resistant especially when filled with a relatively small amount of sealant (Tufo, or Stans work very well.) We have "goat heads" herer in the desert southwest of the US and they have conical thorns that puncture tires extremely efficiently. I just pull them out, and the sealant seals them perfectly. I get about 2 per day. I means my tires weigh more than advertized due to the weight of the sealant, but it's a very small price to pay for an essentially puncture proof tire that rides and handles like the most expensive racing tubby (which in reality it is!)

I wholeheartedly endorse Tufos for the light bike brigade.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:17 am 
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spytech wrote:
real weight is 280g. and they are good, they are basically the same as elite road but in 21mm instead of 23mm. the jet's are 240g real weight - you should go for those if you want to save weight.

i am using vredestein and i hate them. i like tufo better, i wish tufo had clincher only so i can fix a flat any where anytime.


you can get Tufo-made ECLIPSE Tubelesstires for clincher rims.
that's basically a tubular tire with a special profile underneath that allows it to be mounted on a clincher rim. a special valve that can be removed and the Eclipse sealant make this an almost unflattable combination. there is a new sealant which contains latex treated fibres which closes any hole immediately and allows it to be pumped up to 8 bar again.

www.tubelesskit.com


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340 grams per tire, thats not the lightweight tire he is looking for. but it does sound good, they can take from 115-175 psi

i dont see anywhere that the tires are made by tufo, but i do like the tubeless idea, if the sealant does not work i can always put in a tube.


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 Post subject: not light but...
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:13 am 
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for sure not ultralight but still acceptable:

a typical training tire weighs around 230g
regular inner tube 90g
rimstrip 15g (you don't need a rismtrip with this tire!)
total: 335g

that tire is THE solution against flats.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:27 am 
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nino wrote:
for sure not ultralight but still acceptable:

a typical training tire weighs around 230g
regular inner tube 90g
rimstrip 15g (you don't need a rismtrip with this tire!)
total: 335g

that tire is THE solution against flats.


you dont need a rim strip because the tire is like the tufo tub/clincher, or is it a clincher tire, that can also accept a tube?

if it cannot take a tube, how does it differ from a tufo tire with their own sealant?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:34 am 
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it's made by Tufo but has different compound and most important a much better sealant!

correct - no tube can be used here!

Eclipse main business is the MTB Tubelesskit where they offer a system that allows you to run regular, tubed tires tubeless on a regular rim. lighter weight, self sealing(!) and faster rolling. Thomas Frischknecht uses ECLIPSE Tubelesskit since 3 years and became worldchampion and won several worldcup races. DT Swiss offers the same Tubelesskit under their name...


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www.notubes.com have you seen their video, my friend uses it, if the sealant works like that i would jump on it.

what type of compound on the tire? how does it differ from the tufo elite road compount?
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here is a link to the video http://www.notubes.com/movies/Path%20of ... 20Test.wmv


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 Post subject: same - but better...
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:10 am 
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it's basically the same system but much better quality and lighter too!

completely made in Switzerland!


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i need something like the mountain bike tubeless kit, that you can use any clincher tire. so if the sealant doesnt work you have a tube, i would not like to be left 50 - 75 miles away from home, just because the hole was too big and the sealant could not close it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:21 am 
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Eclipse is working on such a system.


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I can also recommend you the Tufo tires.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:09 am 
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Superlite wrote:
Hey guys, I'm still debating on which tires to get. My latest option is the Tufo S3 lite, 215g tubular/clincher.

http://www.tufo.com/index.php?lg=en&mn=1&id=43

These any good? WHat kind of mileage you get? Puncture resistence?
Patchable? Anyone ride these?

Also, do you need rim tape with these tires?

$55 a tire is alot, but if it's a good tire and saves me 80g of rotational mass I'll pay it.

Thanks!

Hi superlite, which wheelset are you going to use? (in your other topic there was only a wheelset-weight)

Why are you going for an tubular-clincher when you also can go for tubulair? The main advantage of tubular-clincher is you can use it on your clincher-rim and don't need to buy an new rim/wheel. But you are going to buy a new wheelset, aren't you? And tubulairs are lighter/better than tubulair-clincher and the rim is also something lighter...


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Hello Superlite I´ve tried this Summer to save weight on my bike.What I´ve found for clinchers is the Veloflex Record(www.veloflex.com).What I can is only positive,punkture,usure after 1000km they are very good and I didn´t have the same Result with Conti. Supersonic, good adherence in Rain and last but not least they cost you not very much money.
Oh yes about the weight ,they only are 132 gr and if you take a Supersonic inner tube you will come around 185 gr together.
what do you think about that............?


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