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NS wrote:I dont see why they have made the rear non drive side tru-able and nothing else, they arent going to win any beauty contests are they. Is this the production version?


It could be because it was easy way to connect spoke to alu hub on non-drive side. Pretty lame though.

Wonder if they (spokes) can be replaced at factory?
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So Mavic finally responds to the WWs of the world with a light, probably stiff wheel and what do they get? Typical grumpy complaints from people here. Nice. Mavic could go on selling Ksyriums to you guys (you know who you are) until the end of time, but they did something newish instead.

While I’d much rather ride a Lightweight Standard, I’m glad there are options. Wheels like Mavic’s open doors for the Lightweights, ADAs and Lews of the world. This is a good thing.

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Does anyone know more about the non-drive side ?
Looks like the nipples go trough the "curved" end of the spoke... :?
What materials are used ?? Carbon/kevlar spokes ?

Wheels like Mavic’s open doors for the Lightweights, ADAs and Lews of the world. This is a good thing.


Agree with you GonaSovereign, this is indeed a good thing.

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GonaSovereign wrote:So Mavic finally responds to the WWs of the world with a light, probably stiff wheel and what do they get? Typical grumpy complaints from people here. Nice. Mavic could go on selling Ksyriums to you guys (you know who you are) until the end of time, but they did something newish instead.

While I’d much rather ride a Lightweight Standard, I’m glad there are options. Wheels like Mavic’s open doors for the Lightweights, ADAs and Lews of the world. This is a good thing.


Hi,

Light, stiff, new? Wait a minute...Where does anyone see all that?
Nah, those wheels are probably going to end up with the same guys that bought those light, stiff and new Ksyriums some 20 years ago.

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Are the hubs carbon? Does'nt seem as if the rear is. The trueable spokes look awful, kind of like the Toppolinos.

They pretty much left the door open to make improvements that will make older versions obsolete from year to year.

They'll change the weave one year, make the rear all-carbon non-trueable the next year and change the foam and/or carbon the year after that.

At least Lightweight has a solid performer on its hands and does'nt change little things from year to year to make people have buyers' remorse when the model they purchased goes out of style.

These wheels just position Lightweight for a stronger market share, because they are proven performers and the company does without strange gimmicks to try to reinvent the wheel every 6 months.
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fdegrove wrote:
Hi,

Light, stiff, new? Wait a minute...Where does anyone see all that?
Nah, those wheels are probably going to end up with the same guys that bought those light, stiff and new Ksyriums some 20 years ago.

Ciao, :wink:


It’s claimed to weigh 1185g with reasonable deep section rims. That’s light.

I said probably stiff. 20 spokes front and rear could go either way, but 20 spoke Lightweights are made for heavy people, right?

The point is that the Ksyrium crowd generally doesn’t know about Lightweight, ADA, etc. Now that there is a similar wheel, the media will refer to the originators of the design when they review the new Mavics. People investigate….people might buy the originals.

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GonaSovereign wrote:
fdegrove wrote:
Hi,

Light, stiff, new? Wait a minute...Where does anyone see all that?
Nah, those wheels are probably going to end up with the same guys that bought those light, stiff and new Ksyriums some 20 years ago.

Ciao, :wink:


It’s claimed to weigh 1185g with reasonable deep section rims. That’s light.

I said probably stiff. 20 spokes front and rear could go either way, but 20 spoke Lightweights are made for heavy people, right?

The point is that the Ksyrium crowd generally doesn’t know about Lightweight, ADA, etc. Now that there is a similar wheel, the media will refer to the originators of the design when they review the new Mavics. People investigate….people might buy the originals.


Hi,

I hear you but do you really think the press is going to divulge the origins of the design while Mavic is looking over their shoulder holding a checkbook in hand? Maybe, maybe not.

As for the weight, yeah it's not bad but it all dpends on how it's been distributed across the wheel, untill than I'm not impressed.

The rim is the same height as and looks exactly like a Corima Aero rim and those Aero+ puppies are about 100grams heavier at less than half the asking price. At least in Europe that is....

While the M5 wheels are still pretty much under development , if such plans exist at all, at least doing the maths using the available data on weight of the individual components from M5 that are available as we speak you could easily build a decent set of carbon wheels that's not going to weigh much more than a kilo for not much more than a kilo Euros too.

Anyway, for the stated asking price of 2300 Euros a set it won't take long before people realise they can buy themselves the real thing for just a bit more. Be that LW or ADA or whatever else's going to pop up, I couldn't care less but it sure is going to leave Mavic in the cold real fast unless....unless those wheels have some hidden virtues no one knows about as yet....

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What's with Mavic and decals? Can't the Mavic designers take a road trip to the Look design studio to see what tasteful things look like?

Did Mavic do the one-side-adjustable only rear to accomodate re-dishing if someone needed to switch between Campy and Shimano hubs?

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alienator wrote:Did Mavic do the one-side-adjustable only rear to accomodate re-dishing if someone needed to switch between Campy and Shimano hubs?


No, changing Mavic from Campy to Shimano, does not require redishing, they built that into the hub design. Same goes for DT.

They did it so that a wheel can be trued if it ends up a little out of true.

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madcow wrote:No, changing Mavic from Campy to Shimano, does not require redishing, they built that into the hub design. Same goes for DT.

They did it so that a wheel can be trued if it ends up a little out of true.


Then whyfo do some companies (Reynolds) say you needs to redish when switching between Campy and Shimano freehubs?

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madcow wrote:
alienator wrote:Did Mavic do the one-side-adjustable only rear to accomodate re-dishing if someone needed to switch between Campy and Shimano hubs?


No, changing Mavic from Campy to Shimano, does not require redishing, they built that into the hub design. Same goes for DT.

They did it so that a wheel can be trued if it ends up a little out of true.

Meh it's dumb. Seems like you would slowly either accumulate wayyyy too much tension on the non-drive side, or slowly lose like, all of it, till you ended up with a screwed up wheel either way.
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Here's the simple fact. Large companies cannot be as agile in product development as small ones. This is why small ones generally innovate. There's nothing else to it.

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estone2 wrote:
madcow wrote:
alienator wrote:Did Mavic do the one-side-adjustable only rear to accomodate re-dishing if someone needed to switch between Campy and Shimano hubs?


No, changing Mavic from Campy to Shimano, does not require redishing, they built that into the hub design. Same goes for DT.

They did it so that a wheel can be trued if it ends up a little out of true.

Meh it's dumb. Seems like you would slowly either accumulate wayyyy too much tension on the non-drive side, or slowly lose like, all of it, till you ended up with a screwed up wheel either way.
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After thinking about this for a little bit, I think it would be easier for Mavic to mass produce these wheels by lowering the tolerancing of things. A front wheel is symmetrical from side to side and easier to build than a rear. Getting the dish correct on a rear wheel takes a little work. When you have to get the drive side perfect because you can't change the lenghts of the spokes once installed, well this seems like the easiest way to do it, by having the non-drive adjustable for the builder. Using the excuse of being able to true the wheel, well this could be a trickle down effect. Others have found a way to build a rear wheel that doesn't go out of true and it seems as if they've built a front that won't go out of true, so why is Mavic slacking here? Usually front wheels go out of true from hitting pot holes and so on way more often than rear wheels. I think its a just a way for Mavic to cut corners in their build process.

Where the spoke meets the adjustable portion just seems like a point for the spoke to snap. With conventional spokes they usually snap where they thread into the nipple or at the head... Well in reality they haven't gotten rid of neither on the non-drive side.

I also figured, they would provide a nice carbon cover for the non-drive side to match the front because I think it will look a tad bit out of place the way it is.

It will be interesting to hear some ride reports when these wheels are actually released. If going off of Mavic's track record, they will be a little over the claimed weight, but will still sell the heck out of them because they are Mavic's. Its the name brand recognition and advertisements just like they have done with the K's.

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alienator wrote:
madcow wrote:No, changing Mavic from Campy to Shimano, does not require redishing, they built that into the hub design. Same goes for DT.

They did it so that a wheel can be trued if it ends up a little out of true.


Then whyfo do some companies (Reynolds) say you needs to redish when switching between Campy and Shimano freehubs?


Reynolds doesn't use DT hubs. As madcow said, "they built that in to the hub design".

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lame... but interesting. and perhaps not even lame.

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