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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:18 am 
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OK so assume I have to pay full retail in the US:

$3800 for Look 595
stiff, light, great looking

$4500 for Cervelo SLC SL (forget regular SLC)
stiff, light, great looking, AERO

A lot of subjective differences, I think the Cervelo warranty is better, but the looks of the 595 are slightly better... both would be good choices, but if it were you, what would you (or did you) choose and why?

FWIW I am a larger(tall) powerful rider who loves to go on breakaways and I can TT very well... if you drink the Cervelo kool-aid the SLC SL should be the no brainer, but I am not totally convinced the 595 is that much "slower" in a RR situation thus the conundrum.

I plan to pull the trigger later this week (after obsessing thoroughly about the decision :wink: ) so your feedback is appreciated.

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:30 am 
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Your much more likely to need a better warranty with the Cervelo than the Look. Good luck.

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jbbikerider wrote:
Your much more likely to need a better warranty with the Cervelo than the Look. Good luck.

JB


Well put............. :lol:

I like my 585, FWIW. If I had to pay retail I'd still by the 585 over the Cervelo. The finish quality on the Look is better than the Cervelo, but.....whatever. Why not buy the regular Soloist carbon and get some nice wheels or a powermeter?

Better yet........buy the Look and buy some nice wheels or a powermeter :D .

I wouldn't worry about the warranty on the Look as you'll most likly never need it. Should you need it, the new Look guys are extremely helpful.

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STARNUT wrote:
Why not buy the regular Soloist carbon and get some nice wheels or a powermeter?

Better yet........buy the Look and buy some nice wheels or a powermeter :D

Already have several nice wheels and a D/A SRM Pro 8) ... I hate the standard paint on the SLC, everyone has it and I can't stand having the same bike as 8 other people in the pack... figure $500 for a good strip and repaint and I may as well spring for the SLC SL, especially considering resale.

Hmmm so far it is anti-Cervelo here. I have had good experience with my P3. Is it that Cervelo is like Zipp (shoddy product, great marketing) or just that Look is kick ass? :lol:


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the soloist carbon is not stiff. torsionally it is a noodle.

fast, aero, great looking but not a stiff bike.

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jerk wrote:
the soloist carbon is not stiff. torsionally it is a noodle.

fast, aero, great looking but not a stiff bike.

jerk


Really? Well I have not ridden it, but my P3 (TT bike!) can handle 1400w out of the saddle sprints and feel relatively composed, and I can't believe that the Soloist would be worse. Although I guess Jens Voigt is one of CSC's largest riders and often touted as proving the Soloists stiffness, but at 76KG with a weak jump he is hardly someone to stress a frame. So OK lets assume the 595 is a better sprinting weapon... and the Soloist is the better breakaway weapon... I am still conflicted!


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Now that I have been riding and racing more, I have started to see the benefits of aero parts. Today I was in a situation where I had to bridge a gap from the pack to a small break away, a situation where more aero parts definately would have benefitted me. So I would say go with the cervelo. Seriously though, with all that beef I really doubt that it is as noodely as the jerk described for meer mortals like us.


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Buy what you like. I written before about being a part of the Cervelo R2.5 replacement program. I had (3) R2.5 frames, but was never without a frame for more than (5) business days. My final frame showed no defects when it was recalled and returned. For a replacement, I opted for the SLC. My frame is finished well, both externally and internally, from what I've been able to see before assembly. No complaints from me about Cervelo customer service. The warranty is great.

The SLC is plenty stiff IMO. Perhaps you can arrange test rides and decide for yourself? I prefer the graphis on the SLC SL too, but it wasn't an option for me with the recall program. Whichever you choose, it should build up into a great bike for you.

If you get a chance to test, similar components are a plus and the same wheels are a must. perhaps bring your own wheels along?

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You talk so much of aerodynamics... but so much of the aerodynamic drag is the rider and secondly, the wheels.

Cervelo may have taken care of the above poster but who wants to send back 3 frames?

that fact alone rules out Cervelo for me.

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Make a decision after you demo each.


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To echo NOTAWOFTAM - make sure you demo each with the same wheels/tires/tire pressure.

I initially chose a Look 481 over the 585 because the guys running the demo had the 585 set up with Vredsteins whacked up to 140psi. Not surprisingly, I thought it rode kinda harsh. :lol: When I eventually switched to a 585, I was pleased to find it had a pretty forgiving ride, provided I ran the pressure at the <110psi appropriate for my weight (and used nicer tires like Vittoria.)

Point being, a hour demo isn't going to tell you much, so you want to reduce the noise-to-signal ratio as much as possible.

Also, make sure that the geometry of each (esp. head tube length) will work for you.

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The 595, no question about it. In my mind, Look's warranty is more than sufficient. Aesthetically, Cervelo can't even come close to Look: Look has managed to create something with timeless class and cutting edge hotness. From what I've seen, the quality of finish on Look frames exceeds or far exceeds that of Cervelo.


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I would go for the SLC-SL, to me it is better looking and aero!
I do not like the colour on the "normal" SLC either, so opted for the SLC-SL myself. Unfortunatly, I do not have it in my hands as of now, so cannot give you any feedback. But one of the least used words for the SLCs that I have run in to were noodle?

Good luck, I am sure both bikes are going to be top of icing :D


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I have a Cervelo SLC-SL and it's great! Think about why Cervelo is called Cervelo and builts frames only and think about Look as a pedal company....

Bike looks great and is very well built.

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See Look as a frame builder that has more experience in building carbon frames than many other companies!
And remember!!!
Look introduced the clipless Pedal!

By the way the Look warranty is great!!!


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